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Macri could have refused to unveil that monstrosity surely?
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I already talked of this on this forum a lot of times. Its not that they offered to Macri to unveil that statue, it was a 100% decision by Macri and his people to do that at this particular moment.

Peronism is more or less 65% of the electorate, you just can not win without a wink or some kind of approachment to peronism. We all know Macri is not a peronist, hes a neoliberal, and what he will do if he get elected is far away from peronism, but he just cant say what hes going to do. Being generous, his beliefs represent not more than 10%, then there are other people that support him for several reasons.

But 30% its not enough to win, he must steal votes from peronists Massa and Scioli.
 
It's a very clear and simple axiom: Divide and Conquer. The Ks began using it 10 years ago and they could win out.But then maybe they could not.As the recently deceased Yogi Berra once said,"It ain't over,'til it's over".
 
I actually find campaign times pretty funny, things like Macri saying there are lots of good things done by the Ks, that they will continue AUH and other stuff, talking good of nationalizations, you know, unveilling a statue of Peron.... thats actually very funny!!

Says a lot about you. The country's future is at stake and you think it's funny. I guess we should all take you (and your moose head) more seriously.
 
Today's La Nacion had an interesting editorial ,"Reconstruir El Tejido Social e Institucional del Pais".Reconstruct The Country's Social and Institutional Fabric". This as we all know only too well has been destroyed by the numerous confrontations and conflicts instigated by the Ks to keep themselves in power long after they have left government.As you above have stated there are too many candidates.True enough but this is Argentine "personalismo" at work and you have no choice but to work with it.Damian Fernandez Pedemonte,Director of the Post Graduate School of Communication at Austral U. and a researcher with Conocet ends with 3 suggestions to awaken hope to regenerate the debate that is absent today.1) reinitiate the independence and deliberation of the different state powers-a real separation and interaction of powers.2)Protection of civil rights and freedoms and.3) Initiate pluralistic ,non-violent debate among all the marginated even if they are not close to the central government.Maybe this might help.Even if the Argentine press is a "total joke" as one member of the forum recently stated.

The three points that you mention should already part of the fabric of the society; one should not even have to think about them nor mention them. Suggesting that they may help is tantamount to saying, "It may be helpful to reinstate democracy in the country (if, indeed, it ever existed).

Moreover, it doesn't help that people keep suggesting that creating a real, sustainable economy would be the equivalent of returning to (take your pick: Menemism, the 90's, el neorealismo). The ideas were correct; the implementation of those ideas was incompetent and much worse, incredibly corrupt, and because of that, many people believe an economy similar to those of the successful countries of the world is not only incorrect, but is the worst possible path that the country could take.

If privatizing and taking on debt were the worst possible things that you could do, then the most successful economies of the world would be the least successful. Yet this is what the majority of people here have been led to believe.

It was proven long before I was born (a long time ago) that governments are, by far, the worst at managing companies. There are practically no historic examples disproving this.

And taking on debt is virtually universal in the world, not only in the public and private sectors, but also for individuals. But if you take on debt without following any rules and guidelines (if you are a country, for example, following the rules and guidelines set forth by the World Monetary Fund), it should hardy be surprising if you rapidly find yourself in over your head.

Bringing this back to the OPs question, saying any of this outright will guarantee that you will lose the election. After the closer-than-expected ballottage in the city, Macri felt obliged to take a step back from this reasonable position and say that under his administration, the government would not consider selling YPF or Aerolineas Argentinas, which has made him look weak and lose voters.

However, there is still hope (possibly). None of the opposition (save, perhaps, the far left) want the current government to stay in power. You can be sure that all the leaders of the opposition are talking on a daily basis. The only question is whether they can get past their egos and make some form of viable deal if the election arrives at a ballottage (which seems very possible). The recent news reports insist that Macri and Massa are talking constantly, and it seems reasonable that if there is a ballottage, that the third place finisher (and probably Stolbizer and possibly Saá) will throw their support behind the opposition winner. Even with the support of all the opposition leaders, however, it's still a very iffy situation. A zebra doesn't change its stripes, and peronistas generally don't either. Add that to the feudalism of the sparser and poorer provinces, the clientelismo and the expected amount of fraud, and even in the best of situations, it's going to be a tough row to hoe for the opposition.

And nobody's even talking about the congress. But that's another ugly post.
 
I would also be very interested in forum members' thoughts on the congress --
 
Of course,the 3 points Pedemonte mentioned should already be part of this society's fabric.However,this is Argentina where real,valid democratic principles and ideals still have not been understood and embraced by the majority of the population.The very wealthy have always considered themselves uprooted Europeans who used Argentina as a hotel rather than their real country.The poor and a lot of the salaried groups were hoodwinked by Justicialism into believing that it was a valid democratic exercise when in fact it was more fascism than anything else The middle income groups have iniciated some true democratic political activityHowever,until quite recently- the last 10 years or so-,Argentine society as a whole has not shown many signs of being very interested in becoming a real participative democracy.
 
Older Argentines sometimes say in desperation,"Este país es una operetta!". Matias is a true Argentine operetta!
 
The Three top Presidential candidates trace their origins to small villages in Calabria and Sicily. Scioli Macri and Massa, as well as their vice's Michetti , Zanini and Sanz? A whiff of Fresh Italian air? Vini vidi Vinci????


Monterudoni, Scioli's ancestral village​
1026 families live there​
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See interesting article in Clarin Magazine Viva

http://www.clarin.co...1451255022.html
 
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