Airliner Shot Down?

toongeorges said:
Some sources say the plane was mistaken for Putin's plane, which was coming back from Brazil. Both planes would actually have crossed near Warsaw. Both planes are white with a red and blue horizontal stripe.
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Why would pro Russian rebels want to hit Putin's plane?
 
toongeorges said:
Some sources say the plane was mistaken for Putin's plane, which was coming back from Brazil. Both planes would actually have crossed near Warsaw. Both planes are white with a red and blue horizontal stripe.
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That's Russian sources (if I recall what I read during the past 2 hours). Putin's plane was flying way much on the North (above Poland).

Quite incredible the propaganda on both sides (really difficult to have an opinion): e.g. the AN-26 shooting in the YT video avove = was reuploaded on YT as the MH-17 take down
 
In the airliners thread (http://www.airliners...d.main/6129612/ )

There's a post which reads: MD11Engineer
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Repost from the previous thread:

The BUK (or SA-11) system does not just consist of the launcher tank depicted in the pictures. Actuallya BUK batteryconsists of 4 launcher tanks, a launcher/loader tank , a command tank and a tank with a surveillance radar, plus assorted trucks for supply and support. I would guess that the system requires at least 30 trained soldiers to set it up and to operate it (plus an equal sized security element). It isn't just aim, press the trigger once, wait for the beep as the signal that the heat seeker has locked onto the target and press the trigger again to launch the missile. I wonder how the separatists got such a trained crew together, unless a whole SA-11 (BUK) battery has switched sides to them.


I wonder if that's true (and if a BUK was used), and if it is, how to analyze that.
 
The Boeing 777 is one of the world's safest aircraft, I really have to doubt after what happened earlier this year that something mechanical
would go wrong/over looked. It was flying at 30,000 ft and most crashes occur during take off and landing which makes me assume based
on the evidence so far that the pro-Russian separatists got ahold of a SAM (it is likely appears to be a BUK from reports) and have just
been shooting at whatever they see/detect over head. They also seem to have been bragging about it thinking it was another Ukrainian
AF jet until they realized they shot down a passenger plane.

I really doubt Russia/Ukraine shot the plane down, the USSR shot down 2 planes and they're not likely going to be wanting the attention
of making it a 3rd, and although neither is as well trained as the US Military, they're not bumbling incompetent enough to do this.

I feel bad for Malaysian Airlines, talk about rolling from tragedy to tragedy. Don't know if it will be like PanAm, Malaysian government
owns most of the stock.

Long story short the Russian Rebels IMO have hell to pay but I really doubt they'll ever see justice.
 
frenchie said:
That's Russian sources (if I recall what I read during the past 2 hours). Putin's plane was flying way much on the North (above Poland).

Quite incredible the propaganda on both sides (really difficult to have an opinion): e.g. the AN-26 shooting in the YT video avove = was reuploaded on YT as the MH-17 take down
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Yes, it are Russian sources who say the plane was confused with Putin's plane and it are Ukrainian sources who say the plane was shot down by rebels. The only thing that seems consistent is that it was shot down and that whoever did it does not want to acknowledge it.

I feel sorry for the victims. I also hope this situation does not escalate.
 
The most plausible explanation I've seen is that the Pro-Russian separatists shot it down by accident thinking it was a military jet. That makes the most sense to me. Ukraine has an extensive radar network. So does Russia. Who doesn't have a radar network nor the ability to fully identify aircraft are the separatists. Yet, the separatists have BUK's.

The idea that it was shot down because it was confused with Putin's plane because of markings holds no credibility. First, one would need to get close enough to the aircraft to see the markings, presumably in another aircraft behind or alongside. Then you would see the aircraft were different. Second, no one would be targeting Putin's plane in that region.
 
Like to believe the USA will tread lightly with the finger pointing, recalling Iran Air 655: Industrial strength screw up.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
 
ARbound said:
I really doubt Russia/Ukraine shot the plane down, the USSR shot down 2 planes and they're not likely going to be wanting the attention
of making it a 3rd, and although neither is as well trained as the US Military, they're not bumbling incompetent enough to do this.
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I share this opinion. Why would Russia do that? (it has Crimea already and slowed down).
Can't be Ukraine, even if it lost a lot of ground diplomatically.

Could be the pro-Russian or the Ukrainian Extreme-Right (like said Michel Audiard, a very famous script writer, "Les cons ça ose tout, c'est même à ça qu'on les reconnaît" = Idiots dare anything, that's even how we recognize them).
 
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