Argentine citizenship for foreigners?

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If you are interested in moving to South America to live and possibly take up employment in Argentina you may be interested in becoming a citizen of Argentina. The path to citizenship in Argentina is a fairly simple and straight forward one. The time that it takes to become a citizen of Argentina depends primarily on what type of visa that you have when you enter the country. For most foreigners that are interested in obtaining citizenship in Argentina the first step is to actually get to Argentina. Most foreigners arrive on Argentinian soil on a temporary residence visa. With the temporary residence visa you would also have a temporary residence permit. These items are only valid for a period of one year. Before that year is up you will need to submit an application to renew the temporary residence visa and temporary residence permit for an additional year. Once renewed, the items will be valid once again for a period of one year. When that year is up you will have to repeat the same steps to renew the temporary residence visa and temporary residence permit.
At the end of the third year of the temporary residence visa you are able to renew it once again. The difference this time though is that you are able to covert your temporary residence visa to a permanent residency visa with a permanent residence permit. This of course gives you the right to live in Argentina on a permanent basis and take up employment as you see fit.
Once you have been the holder of a permanent residency visa for a period of only two years then you are eligible to apply for Argentinian citizenship. Remember that if you came to Argentina as family of a citizen of Argentina that you started out at a holder of a permanent residency visa. That means that you would only have to spend a total of two years in the country before being eligible to become a citizen of Argentina.
Once you apply for citizenship in Argentina you will have to go to a citizenship proceeding before a judge. At this proceeding you will be asked to reading a page from a newspaper or a book in Spanish to test your Spanish language proficiency. There are no exams on the history of Argentina or its laws. The judge only needs to see that you can read and speak Spanish. Providing that you have good health, no criminal record and have not tried to collect welfare payments from the state you will be granted Argentinian citizenship.
Other requirements are that you are over age 18, have a copy of your birth certificate, a copy of your passport and residence card, a certificate of domicile and proof of financial resources or of employment.
 
handlerchelsea said:
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Once you have been the holder of a permanent residency visa for a period of only two years then you are eligible to apply for Argentinian citizenship. Remember that if you came to Argentina as family of a citizen of Argentina that you started out at a holder of a permanent residency visa. That means that you would only have to spend a total of two years in the country before being eligible to become a citizen of Argentina.
Once you apply for citizenship in Argentina you will have to go to a citizenship proceeding before a judge. At this proceeding you will be asked to reading a page from a newspaper or a book in Spanish to test your Spanish language proficiency. There are no exams on the history of Argentina or its laws. The judge only needs to see that you can read and speak Spanish. Providing that you have good health, no criminal record and have not tried to collect welfare payments from the state you will be granted Argentinian citizenship.
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The whole info you provided is a cntl copy from inaccurate (wrong) info you got from a simple google search regarding a law abolished on 1984.

This tread is about the development of a legal strategy for achieving the AR citizenship without legal residency and working under the table.

And instead of googling I am the source of info as soon as I have been litigating citizenship for irregulars at Federal Courts since this tread began and I achieved a huge change in the last 35 years precedents.

A few post ago you can read about the 2 cases I recently won.

I suggest you read my website if you want to access to accurate info about obtaining citizenship in Argentina.

Regards
 
For US citizens worried about losing your US citizenship if you get Argentina citizenship. The following came yesterday in one of my financial newsletters. Thought you might be interested. Apparently, if there is a problem, it is not that you might lose it involuntary. Following is the quote:

"I was approached recently by a member of our Sovereign Man community who filed the paperwork to relinquish US citizenship some time ago. Long story short, after an incomprehensibly long wait, the US government finally sent him a reply: Application DENIED.

Absolutely shocking. That you even have to 'apply' to relinquish what you never signed up for is intellectually insulting. That you cannot do so freely, and immediately, is nothing short of totalitarian."
 
Yeah, I completely agree. Isn't that sort of what the Revolution was fought for? The Civil War may have "freed" the slaves, but it didn't do them many favors overall. Makes one wonder what the transition into a more industrial society from slavery would have ended up producing over the long run. Slavery is not commercially viable in competition with industrial society. Maybe the death of slavery in a more natural manner would have produced a better result?

I mention that because it was the extent of sovereignty that was defined in that war, that had as an equally strong and long-lasting effect on the US as slavery and the integration of slaves as citizens did. It was the removal, by the Federal government, of self-determination. In effect, if not reality, the US Government is a not-so-benign tyranny.

The US State Department says that you can have other citizenships, that getting citizenship does not affect your US citizenship. The only way to renounce it, supposedly, is to make a sworn oath in front of a consular official (like making a sworn statement in the form of an "applicaiton"), or surely some other official flunky.

Therefore, if you renounce (to a foreign government) US citizenship to get citizenship in another country, it isn't counted as renouncing the US citizenship to the US government.

Of course, the US government has some set of cajones to tell someone they can't decide not to be a part of that particular organization any longer. Even though I've seen the process on the State Department website, I've heard that the US government often denies separation.
 
arlean said:
"I was approached recently by a member of our Sovereign Man community who filed the paperwork to relinquish US citizenship some time ago. Long story short, after an incomprehensibly long wait, the US government finally sent him a reply: Application DENIED.

I don't know the details, of course, but could it be that the person failed to provide proof that they were citizens of another country too?

I am asking because I have known a couple of people who renounced their US citizenship (for tax purposes) without any hiccups because they provided ample proof that they were citizens of another country.

I can understand why renouncing your citizenship can be denied if you are only a citizen of the US because, as it stands, you can't be in the United States if you're not a citizen of the US nor are a permanent resident or a tourist (you lose your citizenship when you renounce it and you do not gain the permanent resident status automatically). So, where does the government send you. You can't legally stay in the US (I am talking about legal matters here, I am aware that there are illegal immigrants). It creates complications.

However, I don't know the situation of the individual you mentioned above and it might just be another case of big government gone crazy. Of course, the individual can always sue the government and get results that are more in line with the constitution.

PS: I have no idea what "Sovereign Man" is.
 
Until WWII it was normal to loose your citizenship when you apply for a second one.

That´s why the AR National Constitutions establishes low requirements for citizenship and that foreigners cannot be forced to get AR citizenship. That´s why in Argentina residency is an option to citizenship and not a previous step.

During WWII, Hitler cancel the citizenship of all the Jews creating the category of stateless. Loosing citizenship, they became people without rights and that´s how legally he slaved them and killed them.

That´s why the Universal Declaration of Human Rights enacted just after the WWII established that citizenship is a right. It means that it cannot be taken away and the whole human right philosophy is about that you have rights because you are a human being instead because you are a citizen.

In this point, the Argentine National Constitution was almost a hundred years advanced to its time. Among other things because art. 20 and 14 recognize same civil rights to foreigners and citizens with the only requirement of having his home in Argentine soil.

You know that even nowadays in the US you have limited civil rights or none when you are not a citizen.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 15.


  • (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
  • (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
The fact is nowadays citizenship is considered to be indispensable. This is Ius Cogens, it means, mandatory international common law. Even some countries still doesn´t accept it, it is only a matter of time to achieve a change.

But there is not a right to renounce your citizenship.

Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/statelessness.htm
Article 6

If the law of a Contracting State provides for loss of its nationality by a person's spouse or children as a consequence of that person losing or being deprived of that nationality, such loss shall be conditional upon their possession or acquisition of another nationality.

Article 7

1. ( a ) If the law of a Contracting State entails loss or renunciation of nationality, such renunciation shall not result in loss of nationality unless the person concerned possesses or acquires another nationality;
( b ) The provisions of subparagraph ( a ) of this paragraph shall not apply where their application would be inconsistent with the principles stated in articles 13 and 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights approved on 10 December 1948 by the General Assembly of the United Nations.
2. A national of a Contracting State who seeks naturalization in a foreign country shall not lose his nationality unless he acquires or has been accorded assurance of acquiring the nationality of that foreign country.
3. Subject to the provisions of paragraphs 4 and 5 of this article, a national of a Contracting State shall not lose his nationality, so as to become stateless, on the ground of departure, residence abroad, failure to register or on any similar ground.
4. A naturalized person may lose his nationality on account of residence abroad for a period, not less than seven consecutive years, specified by the law of the Contracting State concerned if he fails to declare to the appropriate authority his intention to retain his nationality.
5. In the case of a national of a Contracting State, born outside its territory, the law of that State may make the retention of its nationality after the expiry of one year from his attaining his majority conditional upon residence at that time in the territory of the State or registration with the appropriate authority.
6. Except in the circumstances mentioned in this article, a person shall not lose the nationality of a Contracting State, if such loss would render him stateless, notwithstanding that such loss is not expressly prohibited by any other provision of this Convention.

And the only accepted ways to lose a citizenship are:
Article 8

1. A Contracting State shall not deprive a person of his nationality if such deprivation would render him stateless.
2. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article, a person may be deprived of the nationality of a Contracting State:
( a ) In the circumstances in which, under paragraphs 4 and 5 of article 7, it is permissible that a person should lose his nationality;
( b ) Where the nationality has been obtained by misrepresentation or fraud.
3. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article, a Contracting State may retain the right to deprive a person of his nationality, if at the time of signature, ratification or accession it specifies its retention of such right on one or more of the following grounds, being grounds existing in its national law at that time:
( a ) That, inconsistently with his duty of loyalty to the Contracting State, the person:
(i) Has, in disregard of an express prohibition by the Contracting State rendered or continued to render services to, or received or continued to receive emoluments from, another State, or
(ii) Has conducted himself in a manner seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the State;
( b ) That the person has taken an oath, or made a formal declaration, of allegiance to another State, or given definite evidence of his determination to repudiate his allegiance to the Contracting State.
4. A Contracting State shall not exercise a power of deprivation permitted by paragraphs 2 or 3 of this article except in accordance with law, which shall provide for the person concerned the right to a fair hearing by a court or other independent body.

Just a few countries takes your citizenship away if you get a new one. None of them are/were precisely a land of freedom.

Former 3rd Reich (Germany), China, North Korea and Japan. All those counties has a bad record in their history regarding the lack of respect of human righs and freedom.

Germany has an special Court for applying for a permission for dual citizenship, however, the citizenship law of Germany is still too nazi.

China and North Korea need no further explanation.

Japan has its own nazionalism.

So, it is not bad that your homeland doesn´t allow you to quit your citizenship and I believe that it is regarding improper legal advice to try to resign the citizenship to avoid pay taxes. I think that the strategy should be different because dual taxation is confiscatory and using this argument it should be easier to win the case.

Regards
 
Bajo_cero2 said:
So, it is not bad that your homeland doesn´t allow you to quit your citizenship and I believe that it is regarding improper legal advice to try to resign the citizenship to avoid pay taxes. I think that the strategy should be different because dual taxation is confiscatory and using this argument it should be easier to win the case.


Regards

I agree. I don't recall them taking any legal advice. They just assumed they'd need to keep on paying taxes and so gave up their citizenship. A lot of people don't understand the tax system in the US (half the time, I don't blame them).
 
I thought I should add to the post about the U.S. denying a person their request to relinquish citizenship. I just wanted to put to rest anyone's fear that to get an Argentina citizenship would cost them their U. S. citizenship. It is far from automatic. But I feel sure he can get it done--as long as he does not owe child support or something that needs to be fixed.
 
Getting Argentina citizenship is not so easy. I've had my case open since 2006 and I am still waiting. There are like 10 gov't agencies that need to approve you and they never respond to the requests the court makes, lose the papers, etc. I have gone to the police to do my fingerprints like 3 times already. Hopefully some day they will grant it, but who knows.
 
Bajo_cero2 said:
In fact, even the procedure is for free and designed for being done without an attorney, you need legal assistance for sure.
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el_expatriado said:
Getting Argentina citizenship is not so easy. I've had my case open since 2006 and I am still waiting. There are like 10 gov't agencies that need to approve you and they never respond to the requests the court makes, lose the papers, etc. I have gone to the police to do my fingerprints like 3 times already. Hopefully some day they will grant it, but who knows.

If you like, I can take a look at your case and tell you exactly what is going on.

I suspect that your case is filed like those of the picture.

The topic of this thread is a) about to develope an strategy for getting citizenship without legal residency b) To reduce the delay to the 90 days specified by the law.

The fastest case I have delayed 8 months until I ask for sentence.

Regards
 
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