Being An Argentine In The Us Is Tough

[argdestiny]

Other than language, the fiesta de 15 anos, the love soap operas (Avenida Brasil, anyone?), the mate drinking, the passion for football and parting/dancing, the predominance of catholic faith, the love for father figure populist politicians, the bureocracy, the hierarchical and patriarchal societies, the whole profane/sacred duology, the social class structure and the close ties to the family structure. Yes, other than that, it is a completely alien society from the rest of LATAM.

I wonder why they rip you. I am sure it has nothing to do with that denial.

you forgot to say we all breathe too

language?... are jamaicans the same as canadians?..
mate? only in the southern cone
passion for football/parting? i guess you haven't been to Europe..
catholic faith? the same ^
soap operas are famous everywhere... Rebelde Way was popular in Spain and even Israel


you say all that as if it didnt exist in other parts of the world too

 

[Noruega]

Indeed, being called Latinos means that we have something in common with the people surrounding us, which is not true at all. We are just misplaced Europeans, that's all.

Wow, this is pretty out there even for you... I was born and raised in Norway but find that I have plenty of things in common with people from all sorts of places. I am sad you don't see it that way. And frankly, the Euro-centrism and superiority complex (and condescension towards certain neighbor countries) that some people here show, can get pretty old... You will never see an Italian-American in the US say "Oh I am not really American, I am just a misplaced European."

I know you are not saying directly "I am better than them" but that is definitely implied.

 

[camberiu]

Camberiu: "the whole profane/sacred duology" - care to elaborate?

There are many sociological thesis about this duology that is very typical in (but not exclusive to) Latin America. In very simple and summarized terms, is the co-existence and cognitive dissonance between THIS and THIS within the same society, social group and even individuals.

For example, back in the day it was the traditional for the respectable, religious father to take his son to the brothel for the first time when he turned 14 or so (in order form him to become a man). The same son that years earlier, he took to his first communion. It was something that happened from Mexico all the way down to Argentina. It is not as common anymore, due to sexual liberalization. But it is something thta is very latin and it happened all over the region, including here.

 

[camberiu]

I know you are not saying directly "I am better than them" but that is definitely implied.

Congratulation (seriously, no joking). You just figured out one of the key elements of the international dynamics here in South America. And it is something that most outsiders are unable to grasp.

 

[camberiu]

you say all that as if it didnt exist in other parts of the world too

Yes, I am sure middle aged married man picking up transvestite prostitutes in a city park is a global phenomena too. I saw that happening in Berlin and NYC all the time.

Yes, when I come to Argentina I feel like I am in a different world. I can barely understand the social dynamics and the culture. Displaced Europeans indeed.

 

[ariel81]

Other than language, the fiesta de 15 anos, the love soap operas (Avenida Brasil, anyone?), the mate drinking, the passion for football and parting/dancing, the predominance of catholic faith, the love for father figure populist politicians, the bureocracy, the hierarchical and patriarchal societies, the whole profane/sacred duology, the social class structure and the close ties to the family structure. Yes, other than that, it is a completely alien society from the rest of LATAM.

I wonder why they rip you. I am sure it has nothing to do with that denial.

Language?In Spain they speak it too.
Love soap opera?told you,in Israel,they have 2 whole tv channels dedicated to latin american sopa operas.
mate?Did you knew that syrian and lebanese are big mate drinkers?
Populist politicans?Obama,berlusconi,netaniayu,lieberman and the list goes on.
Burocracy?all over the world

 

[ariel81]

Wow, this is pretty out there even for you... I was born and raised in Norway but find that I have plenty of things in common with people from all sorts of places. I am sad you don't see it that way. And frankly, the Euro-centrism and superiority complex (and condescension towards certain neighbor countries) that some people here show, can get pretty old... You will never see an Italian-American in the US say "Oh I am not really American, I am just a misplaced European."

I know you are not saying directly "I am better than them" but that is definitely implied.

We have plenbty of things in common with all minkind,that doesnt mean tha we are all the same,we are all different,and its a good thing.
Italian americans,didnt came to live here surrounded by what we have here.
We are indeed better than them,in so many ways...

 

[ariel81]

I am not sure we are all that Europeans any more, there has been massive immigration in the last ten years. Let's remember that the late President Kirchner passed a rule where folks from Mercosur can apply for residency without any worries. This rule has made an important blueprint in our society bringing significant diversity but unfortunately only from one region. I do agree though that there are still important cultural differences between LA and Argentina.

GEE i just read what I wrote down...i hope I am not as boring as I sound!!

Indeed,it has become less,and leess,but its still there,not so much,but still some.

 

[ariel81]

Yes, I am sure middle aged married man picking up transvestite prostitutes in a city park is a global phenomena too. I saw that happening in Berlin and NYC all the time.

Yes, when I come to Argentina I feel like I am in a different world. I can barely understand the social dynamics and the culture. Displaced Europeans indeed.

Crosdresser exist in other parts too.
But Im not going to discuss that with you,being braziilians,nobody can beat you in the trasvestite knowledge

 

[Matiasba]

Argentina (and Uruguay) had had not exactly the same social structure of the rest of Latin America... till the 90s.
The 90s represented the initial of an era in Argentina. For instance, quitting its rhomboid mobility model of society, with a wide middle class, with what we call MOVILIDAD SOCIAL ASCENDENTE, with inclusion, integration, etc, to a more pyramidal one, with clear barriers between classes, where segregation and exclusion become common. Or, other example, dealing with 30% poverty as almost any Latin American country (Chile claims to have 15% but there are other 15% in the border line, as well as we have 5-10% in the border).

So you have to live in a parallel world to deny Argentinas belonging to Latin America. Culturally, economically, politically, geographically, everything says we are VERY Latin Americans.