Buenos Aires is Beautiful

Actually, a lot of the trash does not get picked up - it's already blown around the streets because it's been sitting out for hours like this. Except in Recoleta, as was mentioned, where they have guys walking around at night with brooms cleaning things up.

So instead of saying that the government should make things a little less fascist* and more open market, less corrupt, etc, or whatever they think might help to give more opportunites to more people, someone says "oh, the trash in the streets is actually a good thing because the REALLY, REALLY poor can recycle the dregs of crap from those not as poor or even well off."

It seems to me an apologist attitude at best. The city is what it is. I see one side that basically takes umbrage to anything at all detrimental to the Reputation of The City. Even garbage in the streets is ok!

Most of us who are talking about the lesser side of life here are simply mentioning the other side of things from those who have their heads in the clouds and think that everything here is gloriously golden. Yes, some of this bothers us - but it doesn't mean we hate Buenos Aires. Far from it in my case.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of people popping in on the extreme side of things and saying "if you don't like the city why don't you leave?" (I'm not saying everyone who is apologizing for the city is saying that).

I find it interesting that on a forum for EXPATS in Buenos Aires, a place where we can all get together and help each other survive a little better an experience that isn't always easy, that we keep getting criticized and told to leave because we talk about the things that bother us.

Get real guys! Those who find the city perfect in every way, that find no issues whatsoever or that can let whatever does bother them slide right off and keep smiling - GOOD FOR YOU! I bow to you, you are obviously better evolved than we who find issues and need to talk about them. You are the people who are saint material and I congratulate you all for being so good.

So let the rest of us who have not attained sainthood deal with our mortal issues in peace without telling us to get out!

* I say this because the government is openly Peronist and Peron was a Mussolini disciple and if the Kirchners had their way they would have Brownshirts openly intimidating candidates from other parties to ensure they stayed in as complete power as possible.
 
While agreeing wholeheartedly with the sentiments that Pericles espouses regarding the lack of ghettoised barios from different cultures here in BsAs, there actually is one area that does fit his descriptions, the English speaking communities who do tend to stick closely together, socialising in English style/American style, maybe even Irish style bars and hang-outs.

Thnakfully the culture has not become persuassive in the local community, and I have been grateful for the new friends I have made so far from that community, but as Steve says, agreeing with P, it is vital to join a community, rather than instill ones own community on the one that you have come to embrace.
 
Liam3494 said:
While agreeing wholeheartedly with the sentiments that Pericles espouses regarding the lack of ghettoised barios from different cultures here in BsAs, there actually is one area that does fit his descriptions, the English speaking communities who do tend to stick closely together, socialising in English style/American style, maybe even Irish style bars and hang-outs.

Thnakfully the culture has not become persuassive in the local community, and I have been grateful for the new friends I have made so far from that community, but as Steve says, agreeing with P, it is vital to join a community, rather than instill ones own community on the one that you have come to embrace.

We are guests in their country.

(It's really that simple.)
 
steveinbsas said:
We are guests in their country.

(It's really that simple.)

It's only that simple when you are talking about discussing things with Argentinos. And going around in public. And so on. Of course we are guests here and being rude is not a good thing, even when dealing with rude hosts.

In private (or in an EXPAT forum), I can't see that there is anything wrong with talking about the things that bother one.

To tell the rest of us to shut up when we want to bitch about something that bothers us, in a forum meant for expats, when we are looking for help dealing with things that bother us, is a bit too much. It's telling us that we must all have the same likes, with no dislikes and to shut up if one feels different. In my opinion, at least.

It's not that simple.
 
ElQueso said:
It's only that simple when you are talking about discussing things with Argentinos. And going around in public. And so on. Of course we are guests here and being rude is not a good thing, even when dealing with rude hosts.

In private (or in an EXPAT forum), I can't see that there is anything wrong with talking about the things that bother one.

To tell the rest of us to shut up when we want to bitch about something that bothers us, in a forum meant for expats, when we are looking for help dealing with things that bother us, is a bit too much. It's telling us that we must all have the same likes, with no dislikes and to shut up if one feels different. In my opinion, at least.

It's not that simple.

Who told you to shut up?
 
Lee said:
The trash is still picked up...so fucking what!

Can you make a point without the use of profanity? There is no need for it here leave that at the school yard.

BTW. That trash pile has been there since last Friday.
 
steveinbsas said:
Who told you to shut up?

You didn't - I wasn't saying that about your comment, although I see how you think that, looking back on my post. I was just commenting on your comment about things being simple as far as being guests, but some of us still needing a place to vent. The rest of it was targeted to the two following quotes and others in other threads.

The two examples in THIS thread, while not saying "shut up" are basically telling those who have a problem that if they are going to "complain" and talk bad about The City, they should leave.

Lee said:
You seem better suited to a different environment than you find here in BA.

Move on my friend...move on.

rentaplus said:
I wonder why any of you who DON'T like Bs As are here.....is it because some court ordered you here? I doubt it. If you don't like it, leave. V E R Y S I M P L E.

It's resorted to quite often in other threads of similar subjects as well. It gives one the feeling that if one tries to talk about things that bother one, or if one has a different opinion, The City Complaint Police will confront one.
 
ElQueso said:
You didn't - I wasn't saying that about your comment, although I see how you think that, looking back on my post. I was just commenting on your comment about things being simple as far as being guests, but some of us still needing a place to vent. The rest of it was targeted to the two following quotes and others in other threads.

The two examples in THIS thread, while not saying "shut up" are basically telling those who have a problem that if they are going to "complain" and talk bad about The City, they should leave.





It's resorted to quite often in other threads of similar subjects as well. It gives one the feeling that if one tries to talk about things that bother one, or if one has a different opinion, The City Complaint Police will confront one.

Thanks for the clarification, but I also hope threads like this serve as a (possibly) small wake up call to those who decide to "move" to BA without ever having visited.

It isn't necessarily the "smartest" thing to do, is it?
 
I agree with your post to a certain degree Elqueso but also you have the other side that tries very hard to critisize everything positive about Buenos Aires and Argentina.

To enjoy a city for some features and to post about it does not imply that there is an ulterior motive for the positive post.
This is also unfair and is common as well with some people who frequent forums. What do you do then ?
 
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