Chavez wins elections, we are screwed!

[Iznogud]

There's no "we". Don't fall for his delusiomal fantasies.
You are discussing some particulars with him while I just made completely unrelated observations.

Here, it''s just me and the voices in my head.

 

[PhilinBSAS]

Hilarious! Let me 'splain to you how it works. Had a close glimpse at a project at La Matanza .........

And that, sir, is not even half of the story.

Thank you Iznogud I'm interested to read .. and the other half of the story you have to tell when you care to elaborate. How much is "observation" as you say or so you have any particular professional involvement?

You seem to agree with me that the K Government is identifying housing as an imperative for electoral credit which is exactly the point I made, amongst others, in the earlier posting where I pointed out that Chavez had made a election priority with building new affordable housing and which some commentary suggests this contributed to the result.

Yes building new low cost quality housing on budget and to time is a problem here in Buenos Aires. So it is elsewhere.

As a long term ex pat Iznogud you will no doubt have lots to comment on this.

Peron used it to garner support and some of the housing that was put up in that time was actually of decent quality and you can go and see it yourself in CABA. As for the large scale projects Ive got my doubts but Ive seen some people who live in C. Evita who love it. Certainly there are greater disasters like Fuerte Apache which were built subsequently.

And lets not get into some sort of ideological rant about "free markets" and monopolies and the only good government is no government because that's totally irrelevant and just doesnt wash when it comes to provision of housing.

So is this what cracked you up in your last posting? I suspect not?? Seems to be a quick shifting of ground to recover some credibility here but that's all good if it means we can all get a quality of contribution from you like this latest one instead of some of your less cerebral one-liners. Hit the spot?

Keep the good humour going for as long as you can.

 

[Iznogud]

Quantum, you might want to check the frequent threats dennounced by the head of a TV network last year. One of many in similar situation. Take everything with a grain of salt.

Similarities are too many to could, they're just clearing th path so we can slide down faster.

 

[nicoenarg]

Back to Chavez:

Early in the thread it was stated that Chavez controls the media. I am not finding anything to support that contention.

From the British "Independent":

Venezuela is a funny sort of “dictatorship”. The private media enjoys a 90 per cent audience share and routinely pump out vitriolic anti-Chavez propaganda, pro-opposition areas are plastered with billboards featuring Capriles’ smiling face, and jubilant anti-Chavez rallies are a regular event across the country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...nt-that-says-no-to-neoliberalism-8202738.html

Look harder:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/09/opinion/frum-chavez-venezuela/index.html

 

[nicoenarg]

There's no "we". Don't fall for his delusiomal fantasies.
You are discussing some particulars with him while I just made completely unrelated observations.

Here, it''s just me and the voices in my head.

Okay all jokes aside...I was just agreeing with you. I wasn't addressing his comments at all.

I don't know what got up his ass.

As for "we", it was just a general "we" not a "you and me" we. I don't even know you outside of this forum.

 

[PhilinBSAS]

Haha. Philin, why are you crying like a wimp? In case you didn't notice, I didn't address you in any of my comments. Iznogud (which is just a screen name, maybe that concept hasn't made much sense to you but who cares) disagreed with your statement that Guevarra was a great thinker and now you seem to be whining around like a bitch.

I just agreed with Iznogud and because of that you seem to have a giant Che stick up your ass.

Is that explanation good enough for you? Or do you want to continue crying that your mommy should be protecting you from big bad meanies because they disagree with you?

Yes like I said you and your Aintnogood friend have a thing on here

Nope your bottom-buddy didnt feel able to articulate himself at all about Guevarra but relies instead upon you to help him out.

Back of the class sniggering bullies seems to be strangely apt description for you two.

Actually Isheorisntheanygood tried very hard to come back with some intelligent comments about public housing in Buenos Aires but oh no you have dragged him down again.

Do you try to do his homework for him as well?

So what actually do you disagree with in Guavara's quotes I mentioned?

That comes out of Google as

So what actually do you disagree with in Guavara's quotes I mentioned?

Had enough time to digest that? Need more time perhaps. I dont ask you to agree with them just try to summon up all that accumulated year one economics and your erudite and witty polemics and give it a go. Surely you werent giggling in the back of class all year were you?

 

[Iznogud]

Phil, who told you I am a long term expat? Your assumptions are once again WRONG.

A person close to me was approached to "draw" the numbers. Walked away once figured what it was all about and the way it was handled.

I do NOT agree with you. That shit is going on permanently. It will only make the news if it serves a particular purpose at a specific time. Your self proclaimed smarts don't allow you to distinguish what I've said so far from what others have stated. Different subjects mostly and completely different trains of thought. You are barking at the wrong tree. AGAIN.

I keep using one liners hoping that eventually you will get one.

You are a confused fellow.

 

[nicoenarg]

Yes like I said you and your Aintnogood friend have a thing on here

Nope your bottom-buddy didnt feel able to articulate himself at all about Guevarra but relies instead upon you to help him out.

Back of the class sniggering bullies seems to be strangely apt description for you two.

Actually Isheorisntheanygood tried very hard to come back with some intelligent comments about public housing in Buenos Aires but oh no you have dragged him down again.

do you do his homework for him as well?

So what actually do you disagree with in Guavara's quotes I mentioned?

That comes out of Google as

So what actually do you disagree with in Guavara's quotes I mentioned?

Had enough time to digest that? Need more time perhaps. I dont ask you to agree with them just try to summon up all that accumulated year one economics and your erudite and witty polemics and give it a go. Surely you werent giggling in the back of class all year were you?

Oh for the love of God dude, get a f***in grip, will ya.

Do you understand the meaning of me disagreeing with your statement that Guevarra was a great thinker.

Let me spell it out for you: IN MY OPINION, CHE GUEVARRA WAS NOT A GREAT THINKER.

If I wanted to address your post directly, in that, if I disagreed with you on anything like his quotes, I would have let you know directly.

Why is it that you can't understand that I just don't think Che Guevarra was that great. Why does that seem to tickle your ass the wrong f***ing way?

Let me try to be even more clear, I don't give a shit about what Guevarra said, that is why I didn't address your comment. It was irrelavent.

Secondly, grow up a little, this isn't middle school where others have created a conspiracy group against you that you seem to be whining about.

Let me spoon feed this to you once again you big f**king baby. I disagree with your statement, that is it. It wasn't important enough for me to reply to directly and I didn't. That's it.

Either take it or leave it. This is my last comment about your offended, miserable feelings. I'm not here to make you feel better.

 

[Quantum Sparkplug]

Look harder:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/09/opinion/frum-chavez-venezuela/index.html

David Frum, in my opinion-- is a sensation monger, a silly fundamentalist free marketeer--the worst kind. He wrote the 'axis of evil' line that led the U.S. into war with Iraq--not a proud achievement. And speaking of fundamentalism, this dude is bent out of shape because Venezuela hasn't been hit by the rupture.

But don't take my word for it. Read FAIR:

CNN Exposes 'Villain' Chavez's Dastardly Plot to House the Poor

Posted on 10/10/2012 by Jim Naureckas
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Corporate media's depiction of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is often cartoonish, but the lead from David Frum's piece from CNN.com (10/9/12) takes the cake:

Heath Ledger as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

Venezuela's authoritarian president Hugo Chavez is a villain out of a Batman movie: buffoonish and sinister in equal measure.
​

You want to be careful about throwing around words like "buffoonish," though, when you're making arguments like "Hugo Chavez has laid Venezuela's economy to waste." Here's a chart of Venezuela's per capita GDP since 1999, when Chavez was first elected; since 2003, when Chavez took control of the national oil company from its self-enriching management, the purchasing power of the average Venezuelan has increased more than two and a half times. We should all be so wasted!

These numbers come from the CIA World Factbook, by the way, not exactly a source known for its Bolivarian sympathies.
What really seems to rankle Frum, though, is not how well Venezuela's economy is doing but who it's benefiting, characterizing the channeling of the country's oil wealth to the poor as "massive government vote-buying." As an example, he cites a program "that aims to build 200,000 housing units for Venezuela's poor."
Only a supervillain could conceive of so dastardly a plot.

http://www.fair.org/blog/

 

[jp]

Look harder:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/09/opinion/frum-chavez-venezuela/index.html

Look harder for what? Considered, objective reporting?

"Venezuela's authoritarian president Hugo Chavez is a villain out of a Batman movie: buffoonish and sinister in equal measure."

Next time you want to back up your argument, just post up a link to a cartoon.