Ciudadanía / Citizenship

[ElCordobés]

Thanks Bajo! Do I have to ask for a new expediente (case) for the child or is this something I request either from either juzgado as part of our existing cases? So they provide the order for the child with the carta?

Ok. Then back to the original question.

1. I request a new expediente case file for the child?
2. Must I wait until after my wife or I have our carta to do it?

We have three juzgados here. So if I go, they will assign by sorteo. So it could be the same court as one of our two cases Can I reject a juzgado? if I get the one I have not worked with...I'd prefer to work with the clerks that I know...perhaps that's only done in BA where you have so many juzgados.

There can't be much to provide for a child other than a birth certificate, perhaps fingerprints, proof of attending school... There is very little public info regarding how children are treated in this process.

EDIT:This is--in part--why I'm confused. This quote is referring to a Britsh mother and two children 17 and 20 years old. Is our case different since she's a minor (under 18 years)?

Karen, perhaps the best option is that you apply for citizenship. Once you are Argentine your Son and Daughter don´t need to go through the Court process because they become Argentinians automatically. This is going to be slower for them but for free. They are not going to be able to work en blanco or to have a driver license but they can study at University with no issues.

They just have to go to Registro Civil with your certified copy of your carta de ciudadanía and their birth certificate and they just apply for an Argentine DNI. It might be a little difficult for them (at Registro Civil) to understand it because the law said "native" but SC asserted that distinctions among Argentinians are discriminative. In the worst possible scenario an amparo (class action) might be needed but this is fast, simple and inexpensive.


Regards

 

[Bajo_cero2]

1. Yes;
2. Yes;
3. No but a lawyer can;
4. No process. You evidence you hace the carta and that he is your child. That's it.

 

[ElCordobés]

That sounds great. Really no oficios then....so should take no more than weeks or a few months...

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Yes.

 

[Napoleon]

The language test is abolished but enforced only at Capital Federal.

My "language test" was some clerk going and finding my file while I stood at that counter outside the juzgado office where they keep a bazillion files like it's the 1950s.

The clerk returned to the counter and started asking me a few questions in Spanish like-
-How long have you been here?
-Why did you come?
-What do you do now?
-What do you think of Argentine women? (I might be joking on this one, but I can't guarantee that I am.)

It was basically "Expat Castellano 101: Introduction To Asado Conversations".

I thought I was going to have to go be quizzed by the judge, but the guy stamped some piece of paper, signed it and/or had me sign it, and then put it in my file and I was done. A little shocked that that's all it was, but pleased that I had "passed".

But don't worry...

...you'll probably fail and get deported.

Good luck!

 

[nicoenarg]

As it stands, her sister is already natural-born Argentine. Both parents naturalized (pending). Both juzgados have the US-born child's DNI and school information. She's also probably the most "Argentine" from speaking like a Cordobesa, drinking mate and having the mannerisms of an Argentine as she's lived most of her life here. Really important for her and us that she gets the document as well--with as little drama and time as possible.

You have already gone through a lot of the paperwork and waiting so you know how things work, but just keep in mind that it might take some drama and time. Don't mean to be rude but realistically I don't think the judge cares whether she drinks mate or not. I do hope though that it goes as smoothly for your daughter as it seems to have gone for you and your wife. Way smoother than my case (which is still ongoing), but your case is a lot less complicated than mine, and your daughter's situation even less so.

 

[ElCordobés]

Nope, I don't suspect the judge, fiscal or secretary gives a ... about any of that. It's just important to us that she gets it for those reasons. Bajo talked me off the cliff in terms of her situation. Sounds like it should be quite straight forward...or as straight forward as any of these processes can be.

Good luck with your case!

 

[lizlaz24]

Sorry to intrude on this one with this question guys, but, I heard that after 5 years in the country legal, with or without DNI, perma tourist, regardless, the Argentina Constitution guarantees you citizenship without the paper work of background checks and things; just the local bureaucracy.

Anyone know if that´s true in this or any other form?

Thanks!

 

[nicoenarg]

Sorry to intrude on this one with this question guys, but, I heard that after 5 years in the country legal, with or without DNI, perma tourist, regardless, the Argentina Constitution guarantees you citizenship without the paper work of background checks and things; just the local bureaucracy.

Anyone know if that´s true in this or any other form?

Thanks!

Not true. After two years of residence in the country (regardless of your immigration status) the law allows you to apply for citizenship but the judges still ask for background checks and all the other paperwork. And in no case is there a "guarantee" of getting citizenship here.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Sorry to intrude on this one with this question guys, but, I heard that after 5 years in the country legal, with or without DNI, perma tourist, regardless, the Argentina Constitution guarantees you citizenship without the paper work of background checks and things; just the local bureaucracy.

Anyone know if that´s true in this or any other form?

Thanks!

Right! It was like that durinng the Constitution of the 49' (Peron) but abolished in the late 50' (automatic citizenship).