Conservative.definition.

[ElQueso]

"Reactionary (or reactionist) is a political epithet typically applied to extreme ideological conservatism, especially that which wishes to return to a real or imagined old order of things, and which is willing to use coercive means to do so."

"A reactionary is a politician or political philosopher who wants to reverse political changes and seeks to restore society to a state believed to have existed before. It is usually used pejoratively to describe a radical conservative opposed to modernity. Like much of the political language of left wing and right wing, the usage arose as a result of the French Revolution. Some authors have described them as reverse revolutionaries, for they also believe in radical change envisioning a utopia, except this utopia is to be found in the past."

Interesting that Republicans/conservatives are called reactionaries...at least in the US, nowadays.

Again, those funny labels.

I would say that today, given that the country is already peronist by a majority, and even though the military junta tried to get rid of Peronism in the 70s, that Peronism is the grass roots of the country, and the majority are trying to conserve its long-standing influence.

 

[ElQueso]

Somehow part of what I wrote got cut out. before the last paragraph I wrote something like:

I would agree that in 1946 Peron was not conservative. But in his second stint he was trying to brings things back to his first turn at the wheel. After the military junta and the 90s, Nestor and Cristina were working on bringing back what worked before, in a conservative manner.

 

[thorsten]

Somehow part of what I wrote got cut out. before the last paragraph I wrote something like:

I would agree that in 1946 Peron was not conservative. But in his second stint he was trying to brings things back to his first turn at the wheel. After the military junta and the 90s, Nestor and Cristina were working on bringing back what worked before, in a conservative manner.

Peronism didn't really work back then either. Yes, Argentina grew, but while all countries were having "the golden age", the local policies resulted in underperforming compared to the rest of the world as well as it's neighbours.

 

[ElQueso]

I'm not arguing against that, Thorsten. And notice the definition of conservatism (and reactionary-ism) says "perceived past", not reality.

 

[Matt84]

Somehow part of what I wrote got cut out. before the last paragraph I wrote something like:

I would agree that in 1946 Peron was not conservative. But in his second stint he was trying to brings things back to his first turn at the wheel. After the military junta and the 90s, Nestor and Cristina were working on bringing back what worked before, in a conservative manner.

Conservative in pre peron argentina meant classical liberal SRA.

What you re saying is that the leader was more Socialist in the 1950s and more nationalist in the 70s?
He was a nationalist during his three "mandates" but we all understand the obvious.

At this point in history there can be no more a Conservative political faction in Argentina than in Zimbabwe.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

No es de ayer: Niembro is peronista?

 

[Noesdeayer]

In Today's Clarin Ricardo Roa in his article, "Maria Eugenia y Cristina:¿ Cual es mas de derecha?"--which is the most to the right ? or ,if you will,Conservative.
"Lo que era locura o ensoñacion revolucionaria en aquella epoca ( años 70) es hoy simple cinismo para encubrir la lucha por el poder y por el dinero".
"What in those years (the 70s) was madness or a revolutionary pipe dream is today simple shamlesness to cover up a struggle for power and money". .
It would appear that a great many Argentine voters have come to realize this about Kristina and Kirchnerism to their credit.

 

[Ries]

Interestingly enough, there is some sources that suggest young Lt. Peron was instrumental in the crushing of the left wing populist strike of the Semana Tragica, in 1919.
Which would suggest that, far from being "left wing", Peron always worked with the ogliarchs.

 

[Noesdeayer]

Bajo-cero2 .Niembro es un chorro acomodado comun.Los hay en las mejores familias.
Ries : . Peron was a fascist from the onset whose Corporate State worked well with his base the import substitution industrialists.It was Evita who worked in benefit of the poor because that was what she herself was..
. PERON LEGISLA y EVITA DIGNIFICA !!

 

[Matt84]

Interestingly enough, there is some sources that suggest young Lt. Peron was instrumental in the crushing of the left wing populist strike of the Semana Tragica, in 1919.
Which would suggest that, far from being "left wing", Peron always worked with the ogliarchs.

Great find. Reminds me if when i found out Churchill pacified either tge Sudan or South Africa way before declaring War in Europe.

But you could say it s also a similar experience to that of the german leader who managed to convince "the oligarchs" to give him power only to disrupt the "old order" forever.

After Peron I Argentina and its controlling elite became unrecognizable from the country being built 1852-1929/45

What apparent opposites Peron and Hipolito Yrigoyen (first truly democratically elected prez, first one taken out by a military coup) had in common is that they both represented immigrants and their foreign ideas (universal suffrage, democracy, welfare state, fascism) in contrast to the oligarchic, autoctonous, Republic of 'enlightened' land owner tyranny.

The exaggerated story of natsis going to and prospering in Peron s Argentina is perhaps equally true for European Jews (both seen as War Refugees, survivors of a butchery Argentina had stayed out of).

Neither type of Central European if whatever religion could havr made it in *Conservative* Arg before a very Populist regime of whatever color could disrupt the power structures. You don t have to be Liberal to do that, but in doing so you cannot be considered Conservative either.