Conspiracy Theory Reloaded

[ajoknoblauch]

Flouride woowoo is good woowoo.

Doses in water are so small that it is categorically not toxic. Actually you would die due the dillution of the blood before the flouride killed you.

Its not doing an awful lot for dental health but it is not toxic nor making us stupider.

Thinking about fluoride in drinking water, though, appears to be making some people stupid. Or, at the very least, it brings out their stupidity.

 

[internationalguy]

Sarcasm is one of man's most used defense mechanisms. It's also a thing stubborn and sometimes arrogant people use to invalidate perfectly reasonable doubts or questioning of things they WANT to believe. Government and presidents lie to your face all the time. Let me quote a few examples in no particular order: "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period", "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES", "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", "There are without a doubt WMD in Irak". That's not to mention the NSA recent blunder.

If government lies all the time, why do most people react with astonishing immaturity when someone comes forward with a resonable argument about something. What people don't know is that Sadam was pushing to have all Arab countries to move away from the US dollar in all oil transactions. Doing so would have meant that the fall of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency may have happened years ago, instead of being delayed a few years as it has so far.

I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are true. I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are reasonable. Some though are worth analyzing rationally. After all you know what they used to call people who warned about Hitler before 1938. They used to call them either nutcases or conspiracy theorists.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

It is sooooooo important for the US the Irak and Afghanistan wars, strategically, geopolitically, military, they are sooo important for the US, than 10 years later they are still there, they didnt leave! Saddam is dead, Osama is dead there were no weapons.... but they are still there.

It is important to me the way the US sold these wars to its citizens. They needed some consensus you know? they needed something beyond politics, something big, some reason that did not require any explanation. The war on terror must have been something emotional to every american citizen, not something reasonable, they appealed to the emotions, not to the reason, thats why these wars are out of discussions, or at least they were in the beginning. Little to no one opposed to the wars in the beginning, thats because the propaganda, thats because how the government sold the wars to its citizens. Today they are more questionable, but at that time, they did arrive to that consensus, to that homogenious opinion that they must go to war.


And it had to be like hollywood, with big explosions in everyones face. It was sooooo used the 9/11 after. Like for 10 years, it was used to justify wars, budget to the defense department. patriot act, more and more power to the military industrial complex, the same that killed Kennedy, the same that governs the US, and the world, since the end of WWII.

Matias, that is a very astute observation. I remember just after 9/11. There was a tremendous feeling of unity with Americans. It mattered not that you were Democrat, Republican, Catholic, Protestant, white, black, etc (just not Sikh - because then you looked like the bad guys). WE had been brutally attacked and therefore WE were ONE PEOPLE. We put American flags on our cars. We also had a strong sense of resentment over the deaths of thousands of innocent people. SOMEONE needed to pay. It was not a hard sell to create a "boogeyman." We even created an Axis of Evil.

Looking back on history we often wonder how semi-intelligent people can be swayed by rhetoric to do things that are astonishingly repulsive on a national level. Pre- WWII German citizens come to mind, as do Rwandan Hutus among others. If we think that somehow time and perspective on these events prevents us from falling prey to the same ploy then we all already creating the next atrocity.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Matias, that is a very astute observation. I remember just after 9/11. There was a tremendous feeling of unity with Americans. It mattered not that you were Democrat, Republican, Catholic, Protestant, white, black, etc (just not Sikh - because then you looked like the bad guys). WE had been brutally attacked and therefore WE were ONE PEOPLE. We put American flags on our cars. We also had a strong sense of resentment over the deaths of thousands of innocent people. SOMEONE needed to pay. It was not a hard sell to create a "boogeyman." We even created an Axis of Evil.

Looking back on history we often wonder how semi-intelligent people can be swayed by rhetoric to do things that are astonishingly repulsive on a national level. Pre- WWII German citizens come to mind, as do Rwandan Hutus among others. If we think that somehow time and perspective on these events prevents us from falling prey to the same ploy then we all already creating the next atrocity.

In reality, the Bushies fabricated an "Axis of Evil."

 

[EdRooney]

There is something I never understood about that part of the theory (and btw I have little to 0 faith in any government not to deceive its people): If the US Govt planned the attacks in order to invade Iraq, then why were all of the attackers from US-allied countries like Yemen and Saudi? Wouldn't it have made more sense to have a false flag Iraqi operation? Yet since there was obviously no Iraqi link to the 11 Sept attacks, the Bush admin had to go through intellectual somersaults in order to blame Hussein (not that hard to do when you have a subservient press/NYT, but still...)

I think all theories should be entertained and investigated, but they shouldn't just be accepted just on the basis of the fact that the gov't lies. It does, but so far I see too many holes for it to be feasible.

 

[internationalguy]

There is something I never understood about that part of the theory (and btw I have little to 0 faith in any government not to deceive its people): If the US Govt planned the attacks in order to invade Iraq, then why were all of the attackers from US-allied countries like Yemen and Saudi? Wouldn't it have made more sense to have a false flag Iraqi operation? Yet since there was obviously no Iraqi link to the 11 Sept attacks, the Bush admin had to go through intellectual somersaults in order to blame Hussein (not that hard to do when you have a subservient press/NYT, but still...)

I think all theories should be entertained and investigated, but they shouldn't just be accepted just on the basis of the fact that the gov't lies. It does, but so far I see too many holes for it to be feasible.

The first response was to invade Afghanistan. It wasn't until almost 2 years later that Iraq was invaded (March 2003). This gave enough time to sell the idea that Sadam was an inminent threat and his regime had to be brought down because of "his WMDs". When the Afghan war started I remember some journalists went to Iraq to report on the events that were taking place because Baghdad was very safe back then. No one ever accused Sadam of having anything to do with Bin Laden. It was riding on the sentiment of unity and the fear of future attacks that it was sold that something had to be done. In fact there was a push for a UN resolution. It did not pass. Many friendly nations in the Security Council opposed it. There was no solid reason for it. That did not matter and the first attacks on Baghdad took place anyway.

 

[EdRooney]

OK, so the theory goes that the govt said "let's get the Yemenis to attack us so we can attack Afghanistan and that will finally build up enough support in the public to attack Iraq"? Sounds highly circuitous and quite causal.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

OK, so the theory goes that the govt said "let's get the Yemenis to attack us so we can attack Afghanistan and that will finally build up enough support in the public to attack Iraq"? Sounds highly circuitous and quite causal.

That would be one conspiracy theory. I don't subscribe to those ideas.

 

[scotttswan]

This seems a good a place as any, anyone got any good conspiracy theories about the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370?

Apparently it now flew for 8 hours after turning off its transponders and vanishing from radar.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

This seems a good a place as any, anyone got any good conspiracy theories about the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370?

Apparently it now flew for 8 hours after turning off its transponders and vanishing from radar.

Magnetto hijacked it. It should land on Clarín's helicopter pad at any moment.