Corona Virus May Hit Argentina Hard

[jeff1234]

Want to see how Argentina is doing as compared to the US, Spain and other countries?
This website tracks new cases for COUNTRIES THAT ARE BEATING COVID-19, COUNTRIES THAT ARE NEARLY THERE and COUNTRIES THAT NEED TO TAKE ACTION.

Countries beating Covid-19 — EndCoronavirus.org

See which countries are winning, nearly there, or need action, when it comes to COVID-19.

www.endcoronavirus.org

 

[FrankPintor]

Has anyone downloaded the "Cuidar" application to their phone? I did, it asks for a photo of my DNI (foreign and expired, waiting on a new one), says there's an error, and when I try to enter the information manually it says the DNI and process number are not associated.

 

[antipodean]

https://www.argentina.gob.ar/salud/coronavirus-COVID-19/sala-situacion

Since a few days now the government have disabled the feature to see amount of cases by barrio. Watch this space.

There are a lot of countries that Argentina could look like by now, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Australia etc if it had have used these past 2 months + more effectively, especially during the earlier stages when the majority of cases were imported and linked to imported cases.

It is unacceptable that we have been in a state of lockdown (and more severe lockdown) than France, Spain, Austria, China etc and two months later despite having far less cases or fatalities, instead of loosening restrictions, there is again talk of increasing them because of rapidly increasing cases due to a failure to control the virus in the most vulnerable and crowded neighbourhoods where residents have been deliberately exempt from self/ familiar-isolation.

We have 3.4 million government employees mostly sitting at home on 100% of their salaries who could be used for contact tracing and to support testing activities if this government was serious about getting the virus under control. Further there is existing app technology that could be used especially by those circulating in public, like in Australia, Israel, Korea etc that the government here is not pushing.

Instead this government wants to take the easy way out and lock everyone inside while they kick the can down the road.

 

[FrankPintor]

https://www.argentina.gob.ar/salud/coronavirus-COVID-19/sala-situacion

Since a few days now the government have disabled the feature to see amount of cases by barrio. Watch this space.

There are a lot of countries that Argentina could look like by now, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan, Australia etc if it had have used these past 2 months + more effectively, especially during the earlier stages when the majority of cases were imported and linked to imported cases.

It is unacceptable that we have been in a state of lockdown (and more severe lockdown) than France, Spain, Austria, China etc and two months later despite having far less cases or fatalities, instead of loosening restrictions, there is again talk of increasing them because of rapidly increasing cases due to a failure to control the virus in the most vulnerable and crowded neighbourhoods where residents have been deliberately exempt from self/ familiar-isolation.

We have 3.4 million government employees mostly sitting at home on 100% of their salaries who could be used for contact tracing and to support testing activities if this government was serious about getting the virus under control. Further there is existing app technology that could be used especially by those circulating in public, like in Australia, Israel, Korea etc that the government here is not pushing.

Instead this government wants to take the easy way out and lock everyone inside while they kick the can down the road.

I bookmarked the link, thanks!

I don't think Argentina's preparation was bad, March and April were used to increase the number of hospital beds and fly in PPE from China. Argentina could have been looking like Chile as well, not to mention Brazil, so on balance it's still pretty good here.

And, given the culture here I think they had to lock down completely, a simple policy with no exceptions to reduce mobility and the infection rate, and by and large it's succeeded (https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-05-09_AR_Mobility_Report_en.pdf for example). There have been some real own-goals like the water cuts to Villa 31 you're referring to, as well as bringing all the pensioners out together to queue at the banks. But my feeling is that the strategy has succeeded so far.

I know there are counter-examples out there like Uruguay which didn't lock down, didn't reduce mobility, and yet like Austria escaped the virus. I don't know what the explanation for those cases is.

You have a really good point about the contact tracers, that should be the next part of the strategy to restart everything. And there is an app, I've been trying to get it to work for me (https://www.infobae.com/politica/20...forzar-la-proteccion-de-los-datos-personales/), without success until now.

 

[antipodean]

Agree that up until recently things were going pretty well here, our lockdown efforts were paying off.

My concern is that is no serious thought was given to an exit-strategy or the weakest parts of the chain and we now could still end up like Chile or Brazil, at least in the Villas despite all these measures. These critical mistakes in the villas and also at geriatric hospitals are dumbfounding, as if it were not for these we would already be much more like a Thailand / Vietnam / Australia by now, who all had cases and very strict but brief lockdowns also started early in their outbreaks, and already they are on the road to a "new normal".

Austria did not escape the virus. I was there in the beginning of March at the same time Argentina was seeing its first cases emerge. There were 56 cases when I arrived in Vienna. Two weeks after there were 4000+. They locked down pretty quickly and harshly compared to the rest of Europe. They also came out of quarantine earlier than any other European country. They are now almost completely open and socialising again having reached around 16,000 cases. Now they have around 50 odd new cases per day thanks to strict contact tracing and testing to isolate outbreaks early. Argentina, two months is at 8,000 cases and increasing by 300 odd new cases per day.

I know comparing countries is difficult, but there are different and better ways of managing things. Whenever someone here suggests the government does something differently they are practically accused of treason by this president and a full scale (dis)information campaign is launched! He pretty much keeps saying we need to wait for the vaccine / messiah / a bright new world... whatever comes first rather than focusing on managing what we have.

The app is just another example of a missed opportunity showing the priority of technology here - it does not work for me either.

 

[jeff1234]

Want to see how Argentina is doing as compared to the US, Spain and other countries?
This website tracks new cases for COUNTRIES THAT ARE BEATING COVID-19, COUNTRIES THAT ARE NEARLY THERE and COUNTRIES THAT NEED TO TAKE ACTION.

Countries beating Covid-19 — EndCoronavirus.org

See which countries are winning, nearly there, or need action, when it comes to COVID-19.

www.endcoronavirus.org

 

[antipodean]

Before you used to be able to see it by barrio. Now it has been censored to hide an inconvenient truth by the looks of it...

Right now the news is reporting 1450 cases in CABA villas - and another outbreak at a geriatric home in Lugano. Over 900 cases now in Villa 31 in Retiro. Meanwhile some factions of the government especially in Provincia BsAs are trying to make out that the entire city is crawling with COVID.

 

[antipodean]

Argentina = “Need Action” = Fail. What it is we have been doing the last two months?

 

[FrankPintor]

Want to see how Argentina is doing as compared to the US, Spain and other countries?
This website tracks new cases for COUNTRIES THAT ARE BEATING COVID-19, COUNTRIES THAT ARE NEARLY THERE and COUNTRIES THAT NEED TO TAKE ACTION.

Countries beating Covid-19 — EndCoronavirus.org

See which countries are winning, nearly there, or need action, when it comes to COVID-19.

www.endcoronavirus.org

The problem with basing those graphs on official Covid-19 figures is that countries are testing and counting differently. Plus the graphs on that website are over a week out of date.

The only way to compare countries' performance will be by excess mortality, but those statistics are even more out of date, the best I found is https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 but it doesn't include Argentina.

 

[jeff1234]

The problem with basing those graphs on official Covid-19 figures is that countries are testing and counting differently. Plus the graphs on that website are over a week out of date.

The only way to compare countries' performance will be by excess mortality, but those statistics are even more out of date, the best I found is https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 but it doesn't include Argentina.
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There are lots of variable that cannot be shown in one set of charts: age of the population, urban or rural, rich or poor, healthcare infrastructure, etc.

Also time frame, the outbreak reached Argentina later so it'd be expected to peak later.

But this is the first attempt I've seen to show what different countries are experiencing.