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jb5 said:
I'm no tea party supporter, but some facts about US taxes:


2. What income group pays the most federal income taxes today?

The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

Read Mizzmars post on Buffet's opinion. What he is saying is that the secretaries working in his office actually pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than he does. Saying that the highest earners pay more in income taxes only makes sense since the rates are progressive. People on the low end of the scale pay very little or nothing. But when you add in SS and Medicare the average Joe pays more than the rich, because over a fairly low limit high income earners are exempt from SS and Medicare taxes which are generally a lot higher than the income tax rates themselves. As its already been mentioned taxes in the U.S. are quite low compared to other countries and in fact the total tax burden in the U.S. is lower today than it was in the 1950's.
 
jb5 said:
Isn't it kind of Like why most Argentines don't pay tax? They know their money would just be wasted by CFK's idiotic initiatives?

Buffet's peers largely don't agree with him. This one sums it up:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/275099/koch-responds-buffetts-call-tax-hikes-daniel-foster

The Koch brothers are well known for extreme right wing views. Their father was one of the main funding sources and supporters of the John Birch society a notorious group of far right extremists in the past. The current brothers are the big supporters and main financial supporters of the tea party. An article that will give you the low down on this pair is linked below. I believe with their extreme wealth that these people represent a serious threat to basic rights and freedoms.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
 
I'd like to see a flat tax and self directed retirement accounts in place of social security.

I do understand the Koch brothers can be extreme, but I'm in the US this week and reading many, many critics of Buffet. This is not the first time Buffet has come out with this, it's been his mantra for years.

Redistribution of wealth is not what's going to cure what ales the states IMO. We need it encourage the wealthy to continue to start new businesses and create a solid class of jobs to stop the middle class from continuing their slide.

Giving more money for more government has never worked. The US is not a socialist country though many continually try to turn it into one.
 
jb5 said:
I'd like to see a flat tax and self directed retirement accounts in place of social security.

I do understand the Koch brothers can be extreme, but I'm in the US this week and reading many, many critics of Buffet. This is not the first time Buffet has come out with this, it's been his mantra for years.

Redistribution of wealth is not what's going to cure what ales the states IMO. We need it encourage the wealthy to continue to start new businesses and create a solid class of jobs to stop the middle class from continuing their slide.

Giving more money for more government has never worked. The US is not a socialist country though many continually try to turn it into one.

I don't disagree with your points in general, but what you need to realize that these people go way beyond what anybody would consider reasonable. What these people want is to cut the government down as close as possible to zero and reduce tax rates even further. The people that depend on things like social security will be left to fend for themselves. Sorry but I don't think this is going to sell to well to the public at large. I think the Republicans are going to basically self-destruct due to the tea party. I think Obama will be re-elected and that the Republican brand may be so damaged that they will have a difficult time electing anybody on the national level for some time.

I think there is room for reasonable disagreements over how best to manage the economy. What is completely unacceptable to me is the very radical social agenda these folks are pushing.
 
Not many think social security will lost long in it's current form. So not sure anyone can count on it.

The mood in the States is amazingly anti Obama. It's unprecedented in my view, his extreme popularity a few short years ago to overwhelming disappointment across the board.

He lost his young people base by not following through with education promises. He lost the left with his perceived capitulation to Republicans. He lost cross over voters and the middle class by moving too slowly on the economy and housing.

This election is the Republican's to lose. They might, there is so much ugly white noise from the kooks, but Republicans will undoubtedly gain in 2012.

The middle class in the states is dying because the workforce doesn't have the education to compete globally. When the same jobs can be done in India, China and even Argentina for a fraction of the cost they are done for in the States, it's tough to keep employers hiring Americans.

Addressing that is the answer. And it's not happening. It's scary in the US. People like me who started and ran companies in the States for decades are leaving.
 
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/08/23-11

Published on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 by In These Times
America’s Rampant Inequality Impossible to Deny


by Roger Bybee

The CIA ranks the country 64th, behind Ivory Coast and Uganda—but Fox's banshees still scream 'class warfare' when Warren Buffet wants to tax the rich.
For years, America’s super-rich and their allies in Congress and the media have tried to deny that a tiny elite was growing astronomically wealthy at the expense of the vast majority of Americans.

But the vast gaping canyon between the richest 1 percent and Corporate America, on the one hand, and the rest of us on the other, has become so large and well-documented that denial no longer works. The ideological combat gets especially intense when it turns to the relatively minimal taxes that corporations and the rich pay.

What defense can be offered when billionaire investor Warren Buffet admits that he pays a 15 percent capital-gains rate on most of his income, while everyone else in his office (including the secretary) pays a considerably higher rate?
What can the pundits of the Right say when a corporation like General Electric makes $14.2 billion in profits in 2010 and not only pays no federal income taxes, but collects $3.2 billion in tax credits to lower future tax bills? Well, on Fox at least, they go on the offensive, accusing critics of the wealthy of cruel “demonizing."

The Right has a lot to justify: The gap between the top 1 percent and the majority is now so vast that three Citibank analysts in 2005 created a new term to describe the situation: "plutonomy.” (Which Don Peck insightfully explains in The Atlantic.)
The inequalities in income and wealth have become so stark that America is increasingly no longer recognizable as the middle-class society in which many of us grew up. Where Americans once condescendingly mocked the gross inequalities so evident in the “banana republics” of Latin America, the United States is now far more unequal than most Latin nations.

Significantly, the plight of the broad American middle class has been closely linked to the fate of the labor movement as it has come under siege in the last 35 years. While many middle-class people have long resented the gains made by blue-collar workers who often lacked higher education, the fact remains that as labor has lost ground in terms of real wages, so has the middle class....
 
jb5 said:
Not many think social security will lost long in it's current form. So not sure anyone can count on it.

The mood in the States is amazingly anti Obama. It's unprecedented in my view, his extreme popularity a few short years ago to overwhelming disappointment across the board.

He lost his young people base by not following through with education promises. He lost the left with his perceived capitulation to Republicans. He lost cross over voters and the middle class by moving too slowly on the economy and housing.

This election is the Republican's to lose. They might, there is so much ugly white noise from the kooks, but Republicans will undoubtedly gain in 2012.

The middle class in the states is dying because the workforce doesn't have the education to compete globally. When the same jobs can be done in India, China and even Argentina for a fraction of the cost they are done for in the States, it's tough to keep employers hiring Americans.

Addressing that is the answer. And it's not happening. It's scary in the US. People like me who started and ran companies in the States for decades are leaving.

It would be their election to lose until you look at the candidates running for the Republicans which are mainly unelectable in a general election. It really depends who they nominate, if they come to their senses and pick somebody reasonable then they have a chance otherwise they will take a major shellacking no matter what Obama does. For me the Republicans are too tainted with tea party influence, I couldn't vote for any of them. This comes from a guy who has voted for plenty of Republicans in the past.
 
Please, don´t change nothing. I want to see the final days of the Empire, and if you try to improve things by a new New Deal, I will need to wait another 50 years. It is fun to watch the US crumble while sipping Malbec from BA.
 
The US has shot itself in the foot, big time, but not even close to what Argentina has done and continues to do to itself. Drink that Malbec quickly, you probably won't be able to afford it next month!

Phil, I agree, it depends who's nominated, but when the economy is the key issue, and it is more than it's ever been in my 50 years, Republicans gain ground.
 
jb5 said:
The US has shot itself in the foot, big time, but not even close to what Argentina has done and continues to do to itself. Drink that Malbec quickly, you probably won't be able to afford it next month!

Phil, I agree, it depends who's nominated, but when the economy is the key issue, and it is more than it's ever been in my 50 years, Republicans gain ground.
Don't worry. If you're in the states you can watch the self destruction drinking the same Argentine malbec for 25%-50% less than mark is paying.

That's after customs duties, sales taxes, liquor tax, and the cost of shipping it halfway across the world.
 
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