Historic events that have changed Argentina

[Ries]

I have the annual reports of the migration department. if I have time I upload them.

I wonder about her sources because he does not use the immigration annual report. Well, I found them, this is not enought to approve a simple homework at UBA University:

By the way, the National Constitution of 1893 does not exist and Saenz Peña was the father of the voting rights law for all men.
But the author makes a very poor analisys of art. 20 whose author is Alberdi not Saenz Peña.
The article abolishes the medieval slavery of the foreigner but, of course, she didn’t get it.
You cannot write about the topic without quoting Sapey and Dragoumis phd thesis.

I can say it is not a serious source.

Every source I can find online lists Italians as the dominant percentage of immigrants to Argentina every year since about 1880.
Please, give us your numbers that prove that Italian immigration was not a significant factor until 1946.
If you dont like the paper I cited, show us others.

I am only googling, and if you have government records, I would like to see them.

Here is another paper, showing that, in 1869, Italian Immigrants were double the number of any other source country- https://prezi.com/vl0d4hari5ki/inmigracion-en-argentina-entre-1880-y-1914/
Here is another site that lists italian immigration by decade, clearly showing the huge amounts in the years from 1880 to 1920, and the relatively small amount in the 1950s http://www.adsic.it/2007/11/20/inmigracion-italiana-en-la-argentina/

La Nacion says by 1898 there were 1 million Italians in Argentina- 25% of the population.
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/55879-una-cultura-que-se-fusiono-con-las-costumbres-argentinas

Pretty much any history book you can read will contradict your statement that the Italians "begin with Peron".
I am not an academic- I dont really care what would or would not pass a class at UBA- just give me facts, with sources.

My initial point is simple-
There were a LOT of Italians in Argentina as early as 1900.
By 1919, the Semana Tragica, Italian workers, and their politics, changed the nation is very serious ways, including the clampdown on leftists, the citywide paros that resulted in the government working with "safe" sindicatos, trading favors for power and creating political/union relationships that endure to this day. The Italian Anarchists, and Socialists and Communists were put down with violence in 1919, and it changed the vector of Argentine politics and the economy.

 

[Pensador]

Argentine has had a troubled history but so have plenty/all other nations. As a society it needs to grow up get out of its troubled funk and move forward.

You think the that will ever happen critical thinking is almost non existent here. Common sense is so rare it is almost a superpower.

 

[rickulivi]

The military have no power today and I think it is very unfair to say that they are the worst of society. There are many good men and women who serve in the armed forces, many from humble backgrounds. There are also honorable officers. It is very unfair to the men and women of the armed forces and their families to call them the worst of society. Even during the dictatorship not everyone in the military committed or was responsible for crimes and during the foolish Malvinas War, it was the common soldier or sailor who suffered the most.

Sorry to completely disagree with you. If you are good men and women as you say, these would not be in the Argentine armed forces. Only bad bad people join that horrendous organization. You say they have no power? They are power hungry individuals that will stop at nothing to satisfy their hunger. So, I still firmly believe they are the worst of Argentine society.
Want more? They have lived off Argentine tax payers for at least the last 120 years. What have they accomplished in all that time? How many coups? Lost they only war they started. Killed thousands of their own countrymen; tortured, disappeared people. Honorable people? Scum is a better word. And they continue to live off the taxpayers.

 

[sergio]

Sorry to completely disagree with you. If you are good men and women as you say, these would not be in the Argentine armed forces. Only bad bad people join that horrendous organization. You say they have no power? They are power hungry individuals that will stop at nothing to satisfy their hunger. So, I still firmly believe they are the worst of Argentine society.
Want more? They have lived off Argentine tax payers for at least the last 120 years. What have they accomplished in all that time? How many coups? Lost they only war they started. Killed thousands of their own countrymen; tortured, disappeared people. Honorable people? Scum is a better word. And they continue to live off the taxpayers.

Sorry to completely disagree with you. If you are good men and women as you say, these would not be in the Argentine armed forces. Only bad bad people join that horrendous organization. You say they have no power? They are power hungry individuals that will stop at nothing to satisfy their hunger. So, I still firmly believe they are the worst of Argentine society.
Want more? They have lived off Argentine tax payers for at least the last 120 years. What have they accomplished in all that time? How many coups? Lost they only war they started. Killed thousands of their own countrymen; tortured, disappeared people. Honorable people? Scum is a better word. And they continue to live off the taxpayers.

Menem stripped the military of their power. Nestor Kirchner went a step further and imprisoned ex generals who had been given amnesty after democracy was established. The military leaders of the dictatorship era are gone. The military is an employer of many humble people, especially from the poorer provinces. I also remind you that until Menem there was conscription by a lottery so serving in the military was compulsory for many and actually more democratic than now as it drew from all classes of society. Today's military have zero power or influence. The era of coups is over.

 

[sts7049]

Sorry to completely disagree with you. If you are good men and women as you say, these would not be in the Argentine armed forces. Only bad bad people join that horrendous organization. You say they have no power? They are power hungry individuals that will stop at nothing to satisfy their hunger. So, I still firmly believe they are the worst of Argentine society.
Want more? They have lived off Argentine tax payers for at least the last 120 years. What have they accomplished in all that time? How many coups? Lost they only war they started. Killed thousands of their own countrymen; tortured, disappeared people. Honorable people? Scum is a better word. And they continue to live off the taxpayers.

what exactly would you have the military do? defense is a function provided by the government. you can be angry at their effectiveness sure (although i've never heard someone count number of completed coups as a measure of effectiveness) but that doesn't mean they are scum people.

do you want the military to instead generate it's own revenue? maybe they can start distributing cocaine, i bet that would bring in some money. then they can stop leeching of you the taxpayer.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Every source I can find online lists Italians as the dominant percentage of immigrants to Argentina every year since about 1880.
Please, give us your numbers that prove that Italian immigration was not a significant factor until 1946.
If you dont like the paper I cited, show us others.

I am only googling, and if you have government records, I would like to see them.

Here is another paper, showing that, in 1869, Italian Immigrants were double the number of any other source country- https://prezi.com/vl0d4hari5ki/inmigracion-en-argentina-entre-1880-y-1914/
Here is another site that lists italian immigration by decade, clearly showing the huge amounts in the years from 1880 to 1920, and the relatively small amount in the 1950s http://www.adsic.it/2007/11/20/inmigracion-italiana-en-la-argentina/

La Nacion says by 1898 there were 1 million Italians in Argentina- 25% of the population.
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/55879-una-cultura-que-se-fusiono-con-las-costumbres-argentinas

Pretty much any history book you can read will contradict your statement that the Italians "begin with Peron".
I am not an academic- I dont really care what would or would not pass a class at UBA- just give me facts, with sources.

My initial point is simple-
There were a LOT of Italians in Argentina as early as 1900.
By 1919, the Semana Tragica, Italian workers, and their politics, changed the nation is very serious ways, including the clampdown on leftists, the citywide paros that resulted in the government working with "safe" sindicatos, trading favors for power and creating political/union relationships that endure to this day. The Italian Anarchists, and Socialists and Communists were put down with violence in 1919, and it changed the vector of Argentine politics and the economy.

As you can see Italians and Spaniards were almost the same amount but with Italians were mainly temporary workers:

At the Rome conference of 1924, in which Mussolini intended to create a temporary employment agency managed by the totalitarian state in order to prevent migrants from joining our country, they continued sending money remittances to Italy as well as trying to create Italian colonies here. our national territory, which is why the Italian immigrants were declared undesirable by the United States, drastically reducing the quota that corresponded to them.

They have the same issue at the US and this is why they were declared undesirable immigrants.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I continue tomorrow if I have time.

 

[Joglide]

Menem stripped the military of their power. Nestor Kirchner went a step further and imprisoned ex generals who had been given amnesty after democracy was established. The military leaders of the dictatorship era are gone. The military is an employer of many humble people, especially from the poorer provinces. I also remind you that until Menem there was conscription by a lottery so serving in the military was compulsory for many and actually more democratic than now as it drew from all classes of society. Today's military have zero power or influence. The era of coups is over.

Sergio is correct to emphasise the decline in the military: one reliable (neutral) source says:
"After a significant period of decline, Argentina has ceased to be a capable military force.
The Argentine air force recently retired its Mirage fighters with only a handful of them even flyable. The country also confirmed that all their Lockheed Martin A-4AR Skyhawk fighters have been grounded.
Argentine ground forces rarely have the resources for training and are vastly under equipped, their kit dates back to the 70’s and is in very short supply. In addition to this, the Argentine Air Force largely consists of a collection of obsolete aircraft mostly dating back to the 1970’s, which are frequently grounded due to poor serviceability.
The problems don’t stop there, their submarine crews despite benefiting from a recent upgrade need at least 190 days of immersion practice and in 2016 only spent 19 hours submerged. A similar situation is faced by their four destroyers, they don’t have any serviceable weaponry. According to IHS Janes
“The Argentine Air Force is drastically cutting staff working hours and decommissioning its last fighter aircraft amid continuing budget issues."

However Argentina still spends just under $75billion on its forces - almost 75% on personnel. To state that the era of coups is definitely over may be offering hostages to fortune - for we have to consider how even 'humble people' make obedient soldiers etc and how much is being spent on the police and para-military budgets. In a situation of acute crisis and social division it is not inconceivable that a coup could be attempted?

 

[Joglide]

Sergio is correct to emphasise the decline in the military: one reliable (neutral) source says:
"After a significant period of decline, Argentina has ceased to be a capable military force.
The Argentine air force recently retired its Mirage fighters with only a handful of them even flyable. The country also confirmed that all their Lockheed Martin A-4AR Skyhawk fighters have been grounded.
Argentine ground forces rarely have the resources for training and are vastly under equipped, their kit dates back to the 70’s and is in very short supply. In addition to this, the Argentine Air Force largely consists of a collection of obsolete aircraft mostly dating back to the 1970’s, which are frequently grounded due to poor serviceability.
The problems don’t stop there, their submarine crews despite benefiting from a recent upgrade need at least 190 days of immersion practice and in 2016 only spent 19 hours submerged. A similar situation is faced by their four destroyers, they don’t have any serviceable weaponry. According to IHS Janes
“The Argentine Air Force is drastically cutting staff working hours and decommissioning its last fighter aircraft amid continuing budget issues."

However Argentina still spends just under $4.6 billion on its forces - almost 75% on personnel. To state that the era of coups is definitely over may be offering hostages to fortune - for we have to consider how even 'humble people' make obedient soldiers etc and how much is being spent on the police and para-military budgets. In a situation of acute crisis and social division it is not inconceivable that a coup could be attempted?

 

[Joglide]

Sergio is correct to emphasise the decline in the military: one reliable (neutral) source says:
"After a significant period of decline, Argentina has ceased to be a capable military force.
The Argentine air force recently retired its Mirage fighters with only a handful of them even flyable. The country also confirmed that all their Lockheed Martin A-4AR Skyhawk fighters have been grounded.
Argentine ground forces rarely have the resources for training and are vastly under equipped, their kit dates back to the 70’s and is in very short supply. In addition to this, the Argentine Air Force largely consists of a collection of obsolete aircraft mostly dating back to the 1970’s, which are frequently grounded due to poor serviceability.
The problems don’t stop there, their submarine crews despite benefiting from a recent upgrade need at least 190 days of immersion practice and in 2016 only spent 19 hours submerged. A similar situation is faced by their four destroyers, they don’t have any serviceable weaponry. According to IHS Janes
“The Argentine Air Force is drastically cutting staff working hours and decommissioning its last fighter aircraft amid continuing budget issues."

However Argentina still spends just under $75billion on its forces - almost 75% on personnel. To state that the era of coups is definitely over may be offering hostages to fortune - for we have to consider how even 'humble people' make obedient soldiers etc and how much is being spent on the police and para-military budgets. In a situation of acute crisis and social division it is not inconceivable that a coup could be attempted?

correct 4.6b noy 75b.