Is President Kirchner Improving The Lives Of Argentinos?

[germano]

[...] It never ceases to amaze me that there are people in the country and government that do not see Argentina is a failing state, but hell, as long as Arge wins the mundial then there is no problem, right?

Maybe because it is not a failed state.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/06/24/2013_failed_states_interactive_map?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-2013-failed-states-index-interactive-map-and-rankings#

 

[wild_horses]

Hi,

Poverty in 2003 - 50%; 2014 - 19%. Unemployment 2003 - 22%; 2014 - 7.4%. Extreme poverty in 2003 - 23%; 2014 - 2-3%. Pensioners in the system in 2003 - 50%; 2014 96%.

Shall I carry on?

Cheers!

 

[ARbound]

Hi,

Poverty in 2003 - 50%; 2014 - 19%. Unemployment 2003 - 22%; 2014 - 7.4%. Extreme poverty in 2003 - 23%; 2014 - 2-3%. Pensioners in the system in 2003 - 50%; 2014 96%.

Shall I carry on?

Cheers!

Your source for stats is independent of ANSES/INDEC?

Sorry, if not it doesn't count

 

[ARbound]

Maybe because it is not a failed state.

http://www.foreignpo...p-and-rankings#

Let me help you with that

failING

 

[germano]

Let me help you with that

What is your definition of a failing state?

 

[Matiasba]

Your source for stats is independent of ANSES/INDEC?

Sorry, if not it doesn't count

There are lots of these statistics that are corroborated by private consultants. For example, you wont find ANY private consultant (including the ones that hate this government) that says that unemployment is far than 7%.

 

[wild_horses]

Your source for stats is independent of ANSES/INDEC?

Sorry, if not it doesn't count

Hi,

I did not use INDEC statistics for poverty and extreme poverty for example. I did use ANSES statistics in pensions coverage (nobody questions that one).

If you have a more realiable stats for pensions coverage and unemployment, please share!

Cheers!

 

[CarryOn]

Let me help you with that...failING

Failing implies that a country's governance is collapsing. As chaotic as things are in Arg, the present is actually an improvement over most of the previous decades. No question that the government's vaunted model is full of holes and running out of gas, but it's not like structural inflation is a new phenomemnon. It's been going on for most of the last 100 years. The institutional continuity that may come out of the 2015 election will be a big accomplishment in and of itself (fingers crossed).

Is Argentina punching below its economic weight and riddled with self-inflicted wounds? 100%. Failed or failing state - hardly. The reason (as I see it) to be hard on Argentina is because of how developed/institutionally strong it actually is and yet still finds creative ways to fall short.

 

[CarryOn]

Hi,

Poverty in 2003 - 50%; 2014 - 19%. Unemployment 2003 - 22%; 2014 - 7.4%. Extreme poverty in 2003 - 23%; 2014 - 2-3%. Pensioners in the system in 2003 - 50%; 2014 96%.

Shall I carry on?

Cheers!

Anecdotally, these numbers seem to more or less reflect the present state of affairs. The real concern is how much of the change is built on a shaky foundation - and how the next President will have to fire up the economy without cutting too deeply into social equality gains, even if some of the latter is likely inevitable in at least a short term sense.

 

[ElQueso]

Failing implies that a country's governance is collapsing. As chaotic as things are in Arg, the present is actually an improvement over most of the previous decades. No question that the government's vaunted model is full of holes and running out of gas, but it's not like structural inflation is a new phenomemnon. It's been going on for most of the last 100 years.

Is Argentina punching below its economic weight and riddled with self-inflicted wounds. 100%. Failed or failing state - hardly. The reason (as I see it) to be hard on Argentina is because of how developed/institutionally strong it actually is and yet still finds creative ways to fall short.

Running out of gas and always falling short, for me, is failing. Two steps forward and one step back is still moving forward, while one step forward and a step and a half back is failing. I can remember how things were looking in 2007 and it was WAY better than now. Continuing the same policies, or even similar, is going to keep things sliding downward, not upward.

The thing I see coming out of the Ks "inclusion" policies, huge subsidies for the poor, etc, is nothing more than building a more dependent class of poor people, and helping those who are on the borderline slide down into poverty to join the numbers. The government simply doesn't have the industry and the economic base to have "futbol para todos" and yet they still go on. To me, that's failing.