Is the expat party coming to an end?

NO. Milei stated that to lift the Cepo would require at best 18 months or so. A free for all..?
This is what I'm wondering... how does he plan to deal with this? He could unify the exchange rates and have a market determined one, but that will likely lead to a hyper, so does the big pro-market liberal keep the brecha intact? I personally imagine he does something like let people pesify via the CCL, or natural persons bring dollars in for dollars up to X per month, mainly targeting remote workers and PyMEs.

We'll have to see come December 11th, but I don't think you can simultaneously say the peso has an expiration date, and you have to continue using said pesos until then, and expect business as normal.
 
If you think public hospitals are better than private clinics, then use them and save your money.
The fact is that Milei was elected President by a wide margin. Expats who disdain him will have to accept that he won through a democratic process. Rather than looking for things to criticise, let's be positive and hope that he succeeds for the benefit of everyone.
I've seen nothing but acceptance that Milei won and not a single instance of denial from anyone - expat or not. One can accept that he won and still disdain him.

It's human nature to complain. Look what happened in the US after Biden won in '20 through a democratic process. Pretty much the exact opposite of what you're asking of expats (and I'm assuming Argentinos) who don't like Milei. A lot of non-acceptance that Biden won and Trump lost through a democratic process. Lots of criticism, negativity, hopes not that Biden would succeed for the benefit of everyone, but would fail during his term, and actually would be run out of office before the next election by the guy who lost in the democratic process, who didn't want to accept that loss, concocted a whole bunch of nonsensical lies that failed more than 60 times in the court system, where recounts and audits eventually showed that he lost by a greater margin than originally counted, and did everything he possibly could, kicking and screaming the whole time, to not participate in the peaceful transference of power that has a more than 200 year tradition. In fact, he pissed on that tradition.

Anything expats say in lamenting Milei's win is microscopic in comparison. It'd be comparing apples to bicycles. It's not like expats or Argentinos are going to respond to a social media post from Massa telling people to go storm the Capitol or they won't have a country anymore ("It's going to be wild!"), beat on police, spray them with chemicals meant to deter bears, hunt down elected officials in the process of certifying the results, erect gallows, threaten to kill people, etc. Not that Massa would post such a thing; he's being a gracious loser and taking it like a grownup. So are his supporters from what I've seen.

People are just expressing their disappointment in the results. Let 'em grieve in peace, or be a little pissed off and blow off steam. There's no signs it'll turn violent or become a movement and it'll soon pass. If they're hoping he fails at anything, they're hoping it's in some of his social issues goals - like eliminating the right to an abortion, human rights issues, etc. Nobody's hoping that he fails on his economic goals to improve the economy of Argentina. And no matter who wins an election, soon enough there will be valid reasons for the opposition to be either critical, or bitch and moan - depending on what side of that ruling party/opposition coin one is on.
 
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I've seen nothing but acceptance that Milei won and not a single instance of denial from anyone - expat or not. One can accept that he won and still disdain him.

It's human nature to complain. Look what happened in the US after Biden won in '20 through a democratic process. Pretty much the exact opposite of what you're asking of expats (and I'm assuming Argentinos) who don't like Milei. A lot of non-acceptance that Biden won and Trump lost through a democratic process. Lots of criticism, negativity, hopes not that Biden would succeed for the benefit of everyone, but would fail during his term, and actually would be run out of office before the next election by the guy who lost in the democratic process, who didn't want to accept that loss, concocted a whole bunch of nonsensical lies that failed more than 60 times in the court system, where recounts and audits eventually showed that he lost by a greater margin than originally counted, and did everything he possibly could, kicking and screaming the whole time, to not participate in the peaceful transference of power that has a more than 200 year tradition. In fact, he pissed on that tradition.

Anything expats say in lamenting Milei's win is microscopic in comparison. It'd be comparing apples to bicycles. It's not like expats or Argentinos are going to respond to a social media post from Massa telling people to go storm the Capitol or they won't have a country anymore ("It's going to be wild!"), beat on police, spray them with chemicals meant to deter bears, hunt down elected officials in the process of certifying the results, erecting gallows threatening to kill people, etc. Not that Massa would post such a thing; he's being a gracious loser and taking it like a grownup.

People are just expressing their disappointment in the results. Let 'em grieve in peace, or be a little pissed off and blow off steam. There's no signs it'll turn violent or become a movement and it'll soon pass. If they're hoping he fails at anything, they're hoping it's in some of his social issues goals - like eliminating the right to an abortion, human rights issues, etc. Nobody's hoping that he fails on his economic goals to improve the economy of Argentina. And no matter who wins an election, soon enough there will be valid reasons for the opposition to be either critical, or bitch and moan - depending on what side of that ruling party/opposition coin one is on.
You have a vivid imagination. Do you write for CNN?
 
I don't watch American based TV news. Waste of time.

What did you find to be of a vivid imagination? That no one here is denying that Milei won? That there are plenty of people in the US who acted in the exact opposite way that Sergio stated he hoped expats here disappointed in Milei's win wouldn't act? As to the first part there's nothing I've seen that shows otherwise, but I'm open to reading links or watching video that show I'm wrong or misinformed. As to the second part there's more than enough video and reporting from valid independent news agencies from various countries that show these things happened and have nothing to do with a vivid imagination.
 
I don't watch American based TV news. Waste of time.

What did you find to be of a vivid imagination? That no one here is denying that Milei won? That there are plenty of people in the US who acted in the exact opposite way that Sergio stated he hoped expats here disappointed in Milei's win wouldn't act?
You went to great lengths to characterize Trump a certain way but failed to mention that Democrats challenged the legitimacy of the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections. I hope Milei will accomplish his goals but it's more than likely his political enemies will be smearing him every step of the way, going to great lengths to insure his defeat next election. Trump went through 4 years of that and now they're trying to stop his candidacy with ridiculous charges in court. Any challenge to the status quo that interrupts the graft brings out the big guns no matter the country.
 
NO. Milei stated that to lift the Cepo would require at best 18 months or so. A free for all..?
A CEPO doesn’t mean an official dollar of 380/390/400 or even 900. Remember when Macri reintroduced the CEPO in late 2019 the official was 60 and blue was 70, a similar margin as when it existed in some of the CFK years. And let’s not forget that for the next three weeks, Milei has no control over the official dollar which is costing the government a lot of money just to keep it where it is.

IMO if an early move would be to allow all businesses to legally publish reference prices in dollars, not only in pesos as stipulated in current consumer protection laws, even if people were to continue to transact in pesos at the rate of the day due to a CEPO preventing them from buying actual dollars, and thus taking capital out of Argentina via state coffers, from a price and business perspective you’d the have relative stability and a clearer reference point to give the rest of the economy (and importantly wages) something to catch up to, rather than just continually chasing it’s tail trying to find a ceiling that never arrives. If the state in parallel avoided emission of more pesos to cover its costs (through austerity and asset sales), then you’d create a clear parameter of pesos in circulation in which the economy would need operate until such point as the state coffers had enough dollars to cover its costs and be able to lift the CEPO giving people easy access to actual dollars. And of course getting to this would generate a wave of paritarias/ protests/ negotiations every other week until things reach a “new” general level, but it’s not like anyone has any significant savings in pesos as they did in 2001 and it’s not like this is not already happening (perhaps just with a few less ‘000’s each ajuste)
 
You went to great lengths to characterize Trump a certain way but failed to mention that Democrats challenged the legitimacy of the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections. I hope Milei will accomplish his goals but it's more than likely his political enemies will be smearing him every step of the way, going to great lengths to insure his defeat next election. Trump went through 4 years of that and now they're trying to stop his candidacy with ridiculous charges in court. Any challenge to the status quo that interrupts the graft brings out the big guns no matter the country.
I have no issues with contesting an election and never stated that I did. In my opinion Trump had every right to contest those results. He had an obligation to his supporters to do so. Let's discuss some of the differences between 2020 and the elections you brought up.

First difference. there's a difference between contesting the results of an election and questioning the legitimacy of an election.

I did mention that Trump lost in all but one of the over 60 cases he and his lawyers took to the courts. If you doubt this or think it's from a vivid imagination you can find many sources from independent reliable news agencies that back this up. Unlike 2000 where the recount was ordered to be stopped in order to comply with the time frame set forth by Congress to certify the results, Trump chose to go in a different direction and encouraged his followers to not only follow along, but to actively participate in disrupting the certification process. Violence wasn't a concern - "It's going to be wild!" Like everything else I'm mentioning in this post, it can all be verified by valid, respected, independent news agencies both domestic (US) and foreign.

In 2000 it came down to the infamous "hanging chads" and both sides had their teams of lawyers in Florida. The Dems got out played by Roger Stone and his Brooks Brothers Riot. The Dems bought knives to a gun fight and lost - which wasn't a surprise at all. Bush fought harder, Gore didn't, Bush won. It wound up going to the Supreme Court. On December 13, 2000, just a little over a month after the election and before the Electoral College votes were to be certified, Al Gore formally conceded his loss saying, "for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession." To this date Trump has neither formally or informally conceded his defeat, and certainly didn't act in any way for the sake of unity as a people and for the strength of democracy. On January 6, 2000 twenty members of the House of Representatives rose one by one to file objections to the electoral votes of Florida. Gore, who presided in his capacity as President of the Senate, ruled each of these objections out of order and the electoral votes of all 50 states were certified. Bush was sworn in on Inauguration Day, and Gore was there to witness it. Quite different than 2020.


In 2004 Kerry conceded his defeat to Bush on the day after the election. There were concerns about the process raised by both sides, but I don't see the point of bringing them up since they were raised by both sides, Kerry conceded, and obviously there were no issues as far as certifying the results of the Electoral College. Bush was again inaugurated and Kerry was there to witness it. Again, quite different than what happened in 2020. Here's a link on the controversies if you're skeptical that these aren't facts and instead the product of a vivid imagination or just interested:


2016. The Associated Press called Pennsylvania for Trump at 1:35AM EST, putting Trump at 267 electoral votes. By 2:01AM EST, they called both Maine and Nebraska's second congressional districts for Trump, putting him at 269 electoral votes, making it impossible for Clinton to reach 270. One minute after this, John Podesta told Hillary Clinton's victory party in New York the election was too close to call. At 2:29AM, the Associated Press called Wisconsin, and the election, for Trump, giving him 279 electoral votes. By 2:37AM, Clinton had called Trump to concede the election. On Wednesday morning at 2:30 a.m. Eastern Time (ET), it was reported that Trump had secured Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes, giving him a majority of the 538 electors in the Electoral College, enough to make him the president-elect of the United States, and Trump gave his victory speech at 2:50 a.m. Later that day, Clinton asked her supporters to accept the result and hoped that Trump would be "a successful president for all Americans."

There were controversies and concerns; like in 2004 coming from both sides. Jill Stein contested electoral votes in certain states, but she's Green, not Democrat, and as I mentioned, there's nothing wrong with contesting, but when you lose, you lose, and if you respect the democratic process you put on your big boy pants, admit defeat, and for the good of the country wish the winner success during their term. As in '00 and '04 elections you brought up, the '16 results were certified on the required dates. People took to the street in peaceful protest (as is their right as Americas) which were not called for by the loser Clinton. No actions were taken by Clinton to mobilize her supporters to deny the results, take over the Capitol Building, "fight like hell," and disrupt the certification process. The protests did not involve police officers being beaten by protestors and protestors did not search out elected officials inside (or outside of) the Capitol Building looking to hang them or otherwise bring violence.

There's nothing wrong with contesting results and using lawyers and the courts to fight as hard as you can for as long as you can right up until the moment where Congress fulfills their Constitutional duty to certify the results. But 2020 was the only year where that long tradition of respecting the democratic process and peaceful transition of power was not only ignored, but pissed on.

For the record, the last time I voted Democrat in a Presidential Election was Clinton in '92; more because I was tired of 12 years of Reagan/Bush than I was a fan of Clinton. I was so disappointed in the Clinton years that I didn't bother voting in '96 which was made easier since I was outside of the country in a remote location and didn't feel I had anyone to vote for anyway. In 2000 I voted Nader. Out of the country in '04 and '16 (were I also wasn't a fan of Hilary and didn't vote for her). I'm not a fan of Biden either. Obviously I'm not a registered Democrat. What I am is someone who respects the democratic process and who is against authoritarianism. I'm also someone who accepts the reality of a situation without feeling the need to make up stories or deny reality when things don't turn out the way I'd like them to. I remember what I was taught as a child playing sports and am either a gracious winner or accept graciously accept my defeat without whining about my loss. And since my residence is not even close to being a swing state I've never felt bad about not voting because unlike declaring a winner based on the popular vote, the Electoral College system makes it so that your vote doesn't really matter if you live in a solid red//blue state like Alabama, California, W. Virginia, Oregon, etc

As far as Milei, of course his opponents are going to smear him and work to ensure his defeat in the next election. It's called politics and it's how that game is played and has been played since politics has been around. Surely you don't get upset when Trump smears people and works to defeat them in the next election since part of Trump's whole schtick is to give people childish nicknames and smear them before the self-proclaimed Billionaire tries to sell common people red hats or flat out begs them to send him $. And his supporters love it when he does and repeatedly open their wallets to give their hard earned $ to the most successful businessman history has ever known - so successful he has to sell hats, bottled water, steaks, etc., and beg for $ . I can't understand why you'd be upset, take offence, or even bring it up as an issue if other politicians and their supporters use the same smear tactics that Trump uses? Maybe that lack of understanding explains why you believe the 2020 election was no different than 00/04/16? The Devil's in the details.
 
You went to great lengths to characterize Trump a certain way but failed to mention that Democrats challenged the legitimacy of the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections. I hope Milei will accomplish his goals but it's more than likely his political enemies will be smearing him every step of the way, going to great lengths to insure his defeat next election. Trump went through 4 years of that and now they're trying to stop his candidacy with ridiculous charges in court. Any challenge to the status quo that interrupts the graft brings out the big guns no matter the country.
I missed the part where Democrats stormed the Capitol when they lost.
 
My father said today this happened in 1978 and Argentina become expensive in USD.
 
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