It’s official Joe Biden becomes the 46 President of the United States.

[Wade K.]

The simple minded morons that turn up on this forum with comments like this is both common and appalling. Every village has a pond and an idiot.

Sounds to me like you're trying to control what's being said on this forum. No diversity of thought and opinion. Only you and those who agree with you are allowed. How very liberal of you.

 

[Wade K.]

What I mean is, if it is clear Limbaugh really did say that, Wade might discover he is filtering out facts that don't suit his worldview. Alternatively, if there is no evidence that Limbaugh said it, JP might discover he is filtering in non-facts that suit his worldview.

So, let's use this as a great teaching moment and for heaven's sake try to find a way to find some middle ground. Did Limbaugh suggest Obama deliberately encouraged the spread of ebola to punish white people, or did he not?

Apparently I missed Rush saying that. I've heard him say other things I've disagreed with but mostly I like his stance on most things. He is monitored by such groups as MoveOn.org and they're quick to pounce on any mistake made. However a lot of folks as evidenced by some here believe conservatives are all goose stepping to our far Right influencers. Can't think for ourselves. They are as cartoonly outlandish as their portrayals of the Right, and are blithely self unaware. And we ended up with Joe Biden because of it.

 

[ben]

IF responsible trusted media actually existed, we would be in a better position to have a civil discussion. I’d be very interested in knowing what sources you consider to be trusted responsible media.

Here’s an example of what is more than enough to take an outlet off any list of trusted media:

Along with the wave of bullshit about the elections being stolen, were some pretty specific accusations. They included lots of stuff about voting machines run by a companies called Smartmatic and Dominion Voting Systems being unreliable. These accusations were made across the entirety of the conservative media ecosystem, both on media outlets like Fox/OAN/Newsmax and all across Twitter/Parler etc. They ranged in complexity from the company’s machines being hacked to an elaborate plot involving Chinese and Iranian agents; 28% the company being owned by the family of Hugo Chavez; etc.

At first, Dominion did not aggressively go after the rumours, presumably making the correct conclusion that this would only add fuel to the fire (see: Streisand Effect). After this all died down, though, they had nothing to lose. The allegations had spread far and wide, Dominion had become a household name, there was no reputation left to preserve. So they started sending letters - not to cease and desist, it was too late for that, but to preserve any documentation etc.

And just like that, these critters began scurrying away. While Mike Lindell (aka My Pillow Guy) has said “bring it on”, companies with benefit of semi-competent counsel have begun to back away from their repeated claims. Fox and Newsmax published some weird, weird sort-of-retractions. In the case of Fox, this was by various of their hosts showing a segment in which a disembodied voice asks questions of a voting systems expert who, judging by his eye movements, appears to be reading pre-written answers. In the case of Newsmax, they put up this piece - not quite as weird as Fox’s, but definitely up there.

As for OAN? First they responded with a letter demanding Dominion preserve their own records - essentially doubling down. Then, they just deleted pretty much all their pieces trashing Dominion.

No retraction. No explanation. Just deleted them.

It should go without saying that that’s not the way it’s supposed to work. If you correct, let alone take down a piece because it’s factually wrong, you issue a retraction. You have any link to the original piece hit the retraction, in which you explain that you took this piece down and why you did so. To just memory-hole it, have the links return 404 errors, as if it was never published? Beyond dishonest.

Most people here do not need convincing that these outfits carry far less credibility than mainstream outlets. But if you were waiting for a perfect example, here you go.

 

[Alby]

Rush Limbaugh: Obama Wants Americans To Get Ebola As Payback For Slavery
IGOR VOLSKYOCT 6, 2014, 6:35 PM
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I listened to the video. I read the report. I didn't hear or read Limbaugh "suggest Obama deliberately encouraged the spread of ebola to punish white people." I read and heard him say that some people (it seems fair to infer Obama amongst them) believe it's America's fault that there is ebola in Liberia but that this opinion (erroneous in Limbaugh's view) is not (in Limbaugh's view) a reason to leave the door open.
Personally, if this is the only evidence, I think both sides have to give ground.

 

[Ries]

Personally, I read everything, from mainstream media to fringe stuff on both sides. Being a blacksmith, I know a lot of right wing gun nuts, a few are good friends, and I see all their links and memes on my social media. I am also friends with one of the dozen or so SWP (Socialist Worker Party) members still alive in the USA- they are mostly very very old now. I hear their opinions too.
But the best way to get honest news is to read it all, and you soon learn who is blowing smoke. When you read the same story from a dozen different smart people, with attribution to sources, links to documents, and video, you tend to take it more seriously than a repost of a repost of an unattributed meme.

David Frum is a long time right wing conservative intellectual, he worked for the WSJ, The Weekly Standard, and wrote speeches for W. Certainly no "liberal".
And his latest column on Trump is pretty devastating.

In Trump-speak, “the swamp” means “paranoid delusions about what my opponents are doing in their imaginary heinousness that implicitly minimize the crooked things my supporters and I are actually doing in reality.”

Swamp Thing

Trump’s pardons sent an unmistakable message, capping the corruption of his tenure in office.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[QuilmesSlo]

Personally, I read everything, from mainstream media to fringe stuff on both sides. Being a blacksmith, I know a lot of right wing gun nuts, a few are good friends, and I see all their links and memes on my social media. I am also friends with one of the dozen or so SWP (Socialist Worker Party) members still alive in the USA- they are mostly very very old now. I hear their opinions too.
But the best way to get honest news is to read it all, and you soon learn who is blowing smoke. When you read the same story from a dozen different smart people, with attribution to sources, links to documents, and video, you tend to take it more seriously than a repost of a repost of an unattributed meme.

David Frum is a long time right wing conservative intellectual, he worked for the WSJ, The Weekly Standard, and wrote speeches for W. Certainly no "liberal".
And his latest column on Trump is pretty devastating.

In Trump-speak, “the swamp” means “paranoid delusions about what my opponents are doing in their imaginary heinousness that implicitly minimize the crooked things my supporters and I are actually doing in reality.”

Swamp Thing

Trump’s pardons sent an unmistakable message, capping the corruption of his tenure in office.

www.theatlantic.com

David Frum is a horse's ass who served in the W administration -- the most cataclysmic since the Vietnam war. Has he ever accepted an ounce of responsibility?

 

[Dougie]

Personally, I read everything, from mainstream media to fringe stuff on both sides. Being a blacksmith, I know a lot of right wing gun nuts, a few are good friends, and I see all their links and memes on my social media. I am also friends with one of the dozen or so SWP (Socialist Worker Party) members still alive in the USA- they are mostly very very old now. I hear their opinions too.
But the best way to get honest news is to read it all, and you soon learn who is blowing smoke. When you read the same story from a dozen different smart people, with attribution to sources, links to documents, and video, you tend to take it more seriously than a repost of a repost of an unattributed meme.

David Frum is a long time right wing conservative intellectual, he worked for the WSJ, The Weekly Standard, and wrote speeches for W. Certainly no "liberal".
And his latest column on Trump is pretty devastating.

In Trump-speak, “the swamp” means “paranoid delusions about what my opponents are doing in their imaginary heinousness that implicitly minimize the crooked things my supporters and I are actually doing in reality.”

Swamp Thing

Trump’s pardons sent an unmistakable message, capping the corruption of his tenure in office.

www.theatlantic.com

I wholehearted agree with the first part of your post and think it's great to have friends with diverse backgrounds, opinions, ideologies. It makes for a more interesting life.

Certainly Trump was the swamp, he rescinded the lobbyist ban for former staff on his way out the door, the same one he enacted when he arrived. His cabinet was filled with "the swamp" too.

But David Frum??? This guy should be tried for war crimes at the Hague. He was a war propagandist for George W Bush and helped sell the Iraq invasion using false information which led to hundreds of thousands of deaths. I find it pretty shameless that he has tried to rebrand himself has an arbiter of morality and truth. In any decent society he would be banished and never heard from again for contributing to the suffering of millions without any remorse for his actions.

 

[semigoodlookin]

Neither side is hardly showering themselves in glory on this thread, and someone said it was mostly a debate in good faith?

You have one side posting gay slurs and the other with regular threats of physical violence.

That said, only the Trumpeteers are peddling in misinformation, moving the goal posts, and mostly arguing in bad faith.

 

[QuilmesSlo]

Neither side is hardly showering themselves in glory on this thread, and someone said it was mostly a debate in good faith?

You have one side posting gay slurs and the other with regular threats of physical violence.

That said, only the Trumpeteers are peddling in misinformation, moving the goal posts, and mostly arguing in bad faith.

I think it's petty civil. Your use of "Trumpeteer" doesn't exactly put you in a great light. Should I call you a "Biden-ite"? Oh, wait, Dr. Richard Levine is calling -- I need to take this one.

 

[semigoodlookin]

I think it's petty civil. Your use of "Trumpeteer" doesn't exactly put you in a great light. Should I call you a "Biden-ite"? Oh, wait, Dr. Richard Levine is calling -- I need to take this one.

Why not? Is Trumpeteer or Biden-ite an offensive term? Why would someone be offended to be associated with something they support?

I support Biden as much as I can considering my position, so it's fine to call me that. Something I notice with Trump supporters is they seem to deny that support when confronted with it and instead hide behind "supporting America" or "It's not about Trump, it's about Patriotism". At the same time, most they say (or in this case, post) screams "I support Trump".

So yeah, if I support Biden I am a Biden-ite and if you support Trump you're a Trumpeteer or any other of those kinds of words. Tell me what's offensive about that?

And if you think someone calling a whole group of people a gay slur for simply having a difference of opinion than them is "pretty civil", I would say that doesn't exactly put you in a great light. Also, I think debating in bad faith by moving the goal posts and perpetuating many of the myths the last presidency thrived on is not civil. The words have been polite but some of the debate, at times, has been anything but.