Kicillof For President?

[Matiasba]

but you guys have 2 possible hopes for a better future:

1) Stop electing thieves/inept leaders
2) Stop electing Argentines

So basically, again, your idea is to bring a foreigner to govern this country. Like if corruption was a patrimony of all argentines, like corruption would not exist abroad. Argentine is not all wrong, you know? Maybe your experience would differ, but there are uncountable good things of this country, of this people. And there are lots of foreigners thieves from outside this country that have interests on having the siituation we have. You write as if there was no international powers with interests in Argentina. Or, worst, as if those were the good guys.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

So basically, again, your idea is to bring a foreigner to govern this country. Like if corruption was a patrimony of all argentines, like corruption would not exist abroad. Argentine is not all wrong, you know? Maybe your experience would differ, but there are uncountable good things of this country, of this people. And there are lots of foreigners thieves from outside this country that have interests on having the siituation we have. You write as if there was no international powers with interests in Argentina. Or, worst, as if those were the good guys.

There are many good things about Argentina. Its politics is not one of them.

 

[Don Alberto]

On even dates: All the world supports Argentina!

On odd dates: All the world is trying to destroy Argentina!

 

[Matiasba]

On even dates: All the world supports Argentina!

On odd dates: All the world is trying to destroy Argentina!

There are lots of interests expecting Argentina make it bad (clue: study how international interests interceded in last dictatorship, google Plan Condor, Washington Consensus, etc)
There are lots of interests, most of them new, (like Brazil, like China, like Unasur in general, maybe Russia) that expect Argentina to grow, to re industrialise, to get new sources of energy. They also win with this panorama, of course they dont do it because they are good people.

 

[ARbound]

So basically, again, your idea is to bring a foreigner to govern this country. Like if corruption was a patrimony of all argentines, like corruption would not exist abroad. Argentine is not all wrong, you know? Maybe your experience would differ, but there are uncountable good things of this country, of this people. And there are lots of foreigners thieves from outside this country that have interests on having the siituation we have. You write as if there was no international powers with interests in Argentina. Or, worst, as if those were the good guys.

Of course it exists abroad, but the point is that at least other countries can function and preform the basic roles of the state at the same time. Argentina in a philosophical sense
is violating the Social Contract, and I think other than intentionally ruining a nation for one's personal gain, it's the next worse thing.

I wouldn't care if Cristina was a drunk or had rent boys, did drugs, etc in addition to her nepotism and theft of state funds if the country functioned, but Hell look at Rob Ford talk about an petty excuse of a leader, the accused wife beating alcoholic crack head is able to do a better job as Mayor than she ever will as President, that has to say something.

There are good Argentines, but you know what they do? They leave, the go to Uruguay, America or Europe because they do not want their children to live in a country like Argentina.

Argentina has a structural problem, shipping Cristina off to Santa Cruz and placing Macri, Mass or even Axel would fix it. The state does not work in the peoples interests, this is why you see AFIP parking lots full of BMWs or directors gifting Audis.

Lastly, it's 2014, not 1984. Try as you and Cristina might, there is no grand conspiracy out to get Argentina and ruin it and turn it in to Syria or something. The funds, the one real enemy, have one goal: getting a billion and change from Argentina. That's how much the world is out to get country and that's only a private hedge fund.

We saw someone post "Do you know a socio-path?". If a person said the things the government did we'd call them a paranoid schizophrenic.

With all due respect to the countries that face intentional international manipulation, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. stop including Argentina in that list.

TL;DR Other countries do not need to try and screw Argentina up. It's doing a damn fine job enough as it is.

 

[ghost]

I am willing to bet 5 cents against your 2,000 dollars that you are wrong.

You're Hedging.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Of course it exists abroad, but the point is that at least other countries can function and preform the basic roles of the state at the same time. Argentina in a philosophical sense
is violating the Social Contract, and I think other than intentionally ruining a nation for one's personal gain, it's the next worse thing.

I wouldn't care if Cristina was a drunk or had rent boys, did drugs, etc in addition to her nepotism and theft of state funds if the country functioned, but Hell look at Rob Ford talk about an petty excuse of a leader, the accused wife beating alcoholic crack head is able to do a better job as Mayor than she ever will as President, that has to say something.

There are good Argentines, but you know what they do? They leave, the go to Uruguay, America or Europe because they do not want their children to live in a country like Argentina.

Argentina has a structural problem, shipping Cristina off to Santa Cruz and placing Macri, Mass or even Axel would fix it. The state does not work in the peoples interests, this is why you see AFIP parking lots full of BMWs or directors gifting Audis.

Lastly, it's 2014, not 1984. Try as you and Cristina might, there is no grand conspiracy out to get Argentina and ruin it and turn it in to Syria or something. The funds, the one real enemy, have one goal: getting a billion and change from Argentina. That's how much the world is out to get country and that's only a private hedge fund.

We saw someone post "Do you know a socio-path?". If a person said the things the government did we'd call them a paranoid schizophrenic.

With all due respect to the countries that face intentional international manipulation, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. stop including Argentina in that list.

TL;DR Other countries do not need to try and screw Argentina up. It's doing a damn fine job enough as it is.

It's not just the peso. Argentina has a greatly inflated opinion of its own importance, or at least its politicians do.

 

[Matiasba]

so basically, the international interests to, just an example of million you can find, make this country take debt, of course by a dictatorship imposed by them, evaporated in 1984? so they have a bussiness, they dont like how politics is going, impose a dictatorship, make them take debt, and after that when democracy comes, they go away, the resign to all the interests, to all the politics, to whatever happens in this country, they just leave, they give the sovereignty and independence to do whatever they want, they do not lobby anymore, or have interests of any kind in the region, there are no foreign corporations, nothing, nada. Its all Argentinas fault because the interests that could impose a dictatorship left the country prospere after dictatorship. 2001: entire fault of argentine politicians, this problem we have today, the US has nothing to do! justice is independent.

Do you know who Braden was? we re talking of 1940s, the first and more important competitor of Peron in 1940s was the US ambassador. Please study that, and once you do it, come and talk of how things got worst and worst and worst concerning US interests.

Ah, and stop thinking that it were two separate things to impose dictatorships and make them take debt, it was a PLAN, impose a dictatorship to lend them money, to endebt the country to have situations like we have today! That is geopolitics.

 

[ARbound]

There are lots of interests expecting Argentina make it bad (clue: study how international interests interceded in last dictatorship, google Plan Condor, Washington Consensus, etc)
There are lots of interests, most of them new, (like Brazil, like China, like Unasur in general, maybe Russia) that expect Argentina to grow, to re industrialise, to get new sources of energy. They also win with this panorama, of course they dont do it because they are good people.

Please provide an example that comes from after Reagan was President, the USSR was a country and people could afford home PCs. These are from THIRTY YEARS AGO.

In an episode of The Simpsons when Bart wants pizza delivered by Kursty, and he does, and asks
how his show can be live at the same time he says he threw on an old one, no will notice.

That was the 90's, it's now the 10's.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

so basically, the international interests to, just an example of million you can find, make this country take debt, of course by a dictatorship imposed by them, evaporated in 1984? so they have a bussiness, they dont like how politics is going, impose a dictatorship, make them take debt, and after that when democracy comes, they go away, the resign to all the interests, to all the politics, to whatever happens in this country, they just leave, they give the sovereignty and independence to do whatever they want, they do not lobby anymore, or have interests of any kind in the region, there are no foreign corporations, nothing, nada. Its all Argentinas fault because the interests that could impose a dictatorship left the country prospere after dictatorship. 2001: entire fault of argentine politicians, this problem we have today, the US has nothing to do! justice is independent.

Do you know who Braden was? we re talking of 1940s, the first and more important competitor of Peron in 1940s was the US ambassador. Please study that, and once you do it, come and talk of how things got worst and worst and worst concerning US interests.

Ah, and stop thinking that it were two separate things to impose dictatorships and make them take debt, it was a PLAN, impose a dictatorship to lend them money, to endebt the country to have situations like we have today! That is geopolitics.

Matías, all of us already know that Argentina's problems are somebody else's fault.