Life in USA vs. Argentina

[camberiu]

Again, you become agressive, as usual (I think you should look for help, you have a problem with UBA) because of the lack of arguments.
And "money back"?, UBA IS 100% FREE!!!!

Not aggressive, just horrified at your comments. And I guess you consider the time you invested there as worthless, if you don't think they owe you a refund.

As I said, this could be considered centre left, ONLY TODAY, because the left, the original marxist left (that is: after the French Revolution but before Keynes) was way more radical and faught for the REVOLUTION. Today everything that dont follow the neoliberal principles is considered leftist. Keynes is considered leftist, while the LEFT always was something opposed to Capitalism. Again: Keynes is capitalism. What we have today with Lula and Cristina and EVo and Correa and Mujica is centre left, softer or lighter than the radical left (from Marx, 1870s, till the 1970s)

This is complete rubbish. What did you say you studied there, sociology? Political science? How can a someone who studied anything related to politics limit the left wing movement for the entire 19th and 20th century to Revolutionary Marxism? We had so many left wing egalitarian movements that were not Marxist and not revolutionary. We had Fabianism, co-operative socialism, the labour church, christian socialism and so much more, and that is just in England. We had the Democratic socialist movement in Germany during the 19th century and similar non-revolutionary egalitarian movements in all of Europe. Your definition of left being equal to revolutionary Marxism is absurd and would be laughed out loud at any school of political science (except for UBA, it seems).

 

[EricBluegrassFiddle]

One good thing is Argentina has taught me to appreciate more what I have and not to constantly be wanting something "more" I mean in a material sense. My wife has actually helped with that. She came from a poorer working class Argentina family and everything for them has been a struggle. it's amazing how she's been able to make my clothes and shoes last so much longer, she can sew, she can even make her own clothes, she's an excellent wife and mother...simply the best.

She's also VERY good with finances, I think we could translate alot of this to our lifestyle back in the US if we were to return and be the better for it. I don't know, Argentina has humbled me and tuaght me alot of good values...I've grown up a bit more too since I've lived here. I've learned not be so stressed out and take things as they come and laught at things more.

I would miss some of the "affection" as I've discovred I'm actually a very affectionate person myself...which I wasn't before I came. My son is very argentine, he's only 2 but he gives "mimos" and kisses and hugs....it's nice as I don't see little kids generally as much that way back home. I don't know there's alot of family things that I've picked up that I really cherish here.

 

[Noesdeayer]

Camberiu and 9600.Stop arguing.As Herminio Iglesias said back in the 80s."El Peronismo es un sentimiento". -Peronism is a feeling. Not to worry.There's room for everybody and $omething for everyone".As he said Peronismo will win "conmigo o sinmigo"-with me or without I ( a rough translation of his famous grammatical error).To disspell any further doubt Cristina, when she was still the 1st lady ,in an interview with ABC de Madrid (I believe it was) said that foreigners could not understand peronism and that only Argentines were able to appreciate and understand it. I "dunno·" .As a foreigner who has been here for 36 years I believe i understand what it is and how it works reasonably well .The real question is,"When will it go into phase out ?.".

 

[johnw100]

One good thing is Argentina has taught me to appreciate more what I have and not to constantly be wanting something "more" I mean in a material sense. My wife has actually helped with that. She came from a poorer working class Argentina family and everything for them has been a struggle. it's amazing how she's been able to make my clothes and shoes last so much longer, she can sew, she can even make her own clothes, she's an excellent wife and mother...simply the best.

She's also VERY good with finances, I think we could translate alot of this to our lifestyle back in the US if we were to return and be the better for it. I don't know, Argentina has humbled me and tuaght me alot of good values...I've grown up a bit more too since I've lived here. I've learned not be so stressed out and take things as they come and laught at things more.

I would miss some of the "affection" as I've discovred I'm actually a very affectionate person myself...which I wasn't before I came. My son is very argentine, he's only 2 but he gives "mimos" and kisses and hugs....it's nice as I don't see little kids generally as much that way back home. I don't know there's alot of family things that I've picked up that I really cherish here.

I agree with the material things, same goes for the UK. There was always a need to go out and buy new things, if nothing more than to enjoy spending your hard earned money. Here we just put up with things that we have regardless of the appearance. What I do miss is that you could buy things second hand off ebay for 50%+ cheaper that the the new cost compared to Argentina where second hand means only 10-20% of the new price.

You need to be good at sewing in Argentina because the clothes fall apart so easily. We have two young boys all the jeans/trousers we`ve bought in Argentina have holes in the knees. I bought Jeans from the UK about 3 years ago, they cost £7 and theyre still in perfect condition and they were less than 1/4 of the price in Argentina.
The Argentines really are dealt a shitty hand when it comes to goods. They pay more and get worse quality than most countries.

 

[EricBluegrassFiddle]

I agree with the material things, same goes for the UK. There was always a need to go out and buy new things, if nothing more than to enjoy spending your hard earned money. Here we just put up with things that we have regardless of the appearance. What I do miss is that you could buy things second hand off ebay for 50%+ cheaper that the the new cost compared to Argentina where second hand means only 10-20% of the new price.

You need to be good at sewing in Argentina because the clothes fall apart so easily. We have two young boys all the jeans/trousers we`ve bought in Argentina have holes in the knees. I bought Jeans from the UK about 3 years ago, they cost £7 and theyre still in perfect condition and they were less than 1/4 of the price in Argentina.
The Argentines really are dealt a shitty hand when it comes to goods. They pay more and get worse quality than most countries.

It's true.....I can relate..

Oh sewing...my Argentine wife can fix and repair and sew "anything" it's amazing how my jeans and shoes now have 9 lives as opposed to 1 thanks to her. But that's the way she was brought up...they didn't buy a new one, they just broke what was fixed. Even fixed ther zipper on my favorite jacket recently.....we americans would've just tossed it maybe....she fixed it in one hour, as good as new.

 

[johnw100]

"[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]we americans would've just tossed it "[/background]

Its life in the 21st century i`m afraid. In the first world countries we import huge amounts produced by poor countries and ridiculously cheap prices, use and then thrown away. When I was a kid in the UK 35+ years ago we all wore hand me downs from our older brothers and sisters , we all had patches sown onto our clothes around the knees and elbows. Our parents and grandparents knitted us jumpers for winter. Now its easier to just go a buy something that costs less than a take away meal to wear and all made for us by the poor in the third world. Sad but true.
At least here they repair and make good alot of the time. You only have to look at the cars on the road that wouldve been crushed decades ago back home but are still running here. Mind you theyre all death traps hehe

 

[garryl]

Argentina is a wonderful place to spend money, but to make it financially one absolutely must be connected. In Argentina, you simply cannot work your way up from the bottom to the top as you can in the USA. Infact, I'd go so far as the say the USA is the only place where you can work youself up from the bottom to the top - just look at Obama. My wife and I are ponding when to move back to Argentina full time, but the move back only makes sense when the kids are grown and we have our nest egg (outside argentina of course) big enough to tap into w/o the need to ever work in Argentina.

USA is the ONLY place ? I beg to differ.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

You need to be good at sewing in Argentina because the clothes fall apart so easily. We have two young boys all the jeans/trousers we`ve bought in Argentina have holes in the knees. I bought Jeans from the UK about 3 years ago, they cost £7 and theyre still in perfect condition and they were less than 1/4 of the price in Argentina.
The Argentines really are dealt a shitty hand when it comes to goods. They pay more and get worse quality than most countries.

In the UK or the States, though, nobody will ever have the satisfaction of knowing their goods are nac y pop.

 

[Noesdeayer]

garryl: Be so kind as to give us an idea of the other countries where this is possible outside of Canada,Australia and New Zealand? Is it possible in Latin America,for example?

 

[Somewhereinba]

I agree with the material things, same goes for the UK. There was always a need to go out and buy new things, if nothing more than to enjoy spending your hard earned money. Here we just put up with things that we have regardless of the appearance. What I do miss is that you could buy things second hand off ebay for 50%+ cheaper that the the new cost compared to Argentina where second hand means only 10-20% of the new price.

You need to be good at sewing in Argentina because the clothes fall apart so easily. We have two young boys all the jeans/trousers we`ve bought in Argentina have holes in the knees. I bought Jeans from the UK about 3 years ago, they cost £7 and theyre still in perfect condition and they were less than 1/4 of the price in Argentina.
The Argentines really are dealt a shitty hand when it comes to goods. They pay more and get worse quality than most countries.

But but but we are supporting the local manufacturing market !!