New Immigration Decree, Long Life To King Macri!

[Gringoboy]

Another famous lawyer of BA posted this today elsewhere :-

Deportations under new executive order 70/2017: We got our first deportation defense under the new policy and one would expect that the alien affected by the removal would be an immigrant who is a serious felon, drug dealer, organized criminal or ¨narco¨, but that’s wrong. It happens to be a young student who forgot to update his address and under the new executive order we ONLY have 3 days to set up a defense brief. This order displays an unconstitutional animus in many levels, especially the right to due process. The Argentine administration has significantly hardened the country policies with this Trump-like executive order, not only to aliens with criminal backgrounds as they originally stated, but to the entire immigrant population. The deportation order served today proves so.

Source?

 

[Ceviche]

Source?

From page of another famous immigration lawyer of ba in direct competition for busness with a lawyer who often posts on this thread.,

Rather not name ppl

 

[camel]

Just a link, no need to name anyone.

 

[Gringoboy]

From page of another famous immigration lawyer of ba in direct competition for busness with a lawyer who often posts on this thread.,

Rather not name ppl

No need to be churlish old chap.

 

[Sockhopper]

Dual and multiple nationals have long had the exclusive prerogative to decide which of their passports they'll use to enter AND leave a country on. There's only one exception to this. It involves the right of every country to actually know when and that one of its own citizens is entering or leaving it. When one enters, while he's in and when he leaves a country of which he IS a citizen, he must produce to its authorities when requested the passport issued to him by THAT country. Not doing so raises a strong suspicion of fraudulent use of dual nationality which no dual national wants! That's what criminals want or need to pull. It's very stupid.

Also, don't try entering on one passport and exiting on another in the same country during a single visit whether or not you're its citizen. Maintain consistency throughout a trip into and out of each single country. These few simple rules will allow you to use your dual nationality properly everywhere always.

 

[ben]

It is a concept of international public law. Every country only recognize its citizenship in its territory. So, in Argentina you are argentine and in the US you are American but in any other country you decide.

Again, in practice this is simply not true.
Argentina absolutely allows Argentine citizens to enter on a foreign passport.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Dual and multiple nationals have long had the exclusive prerogative to decide which of their passports they'll use to enter AND leave a country on. There's only one exception to this. It involves the right of every country to actually know when and that one of its own citizens is entering or leaving it. When one enters, while he's in and when he leaves a country of which he IS a citizen, he must produce to its authorities when requested the passport issued to him by THAT country. Not doing so raises a strong suspicion of fraudulent use of dual nationality which no dual national wants! That's what criminals want or need to pull. It's very stupid.

Also, don't try entering on one passport and exiting on another in the same country during a single visit whether or not you're its citizen. Maintain consistency throughout a trip into and out of each single country. These few simple rules will allow you to use your dual nationality properly everywhere always.

Federal Court precedents, local law and immigration disagree with you.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Again, in practice this is simply not true.
Argentina absolutely allows Argentine citizens to enter on a foreign passport.

Right, you can enter without id if you are Argentine. To leave the country is a very difficult thing unless you hide you are local and you are lucky.

So, do not confuse people because they can spend some time in jail for your "advice".

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Ceviche, in fact, real criminals cannot be deported until the sentence at jail is completed and almost all of them ask for voluntary deportation at 50 percent of the sentence so, they are free abroad many months earlier.

Most of the foreigners at jail are mules who signed a plea bargaining for 4 years and 5 months, so, after 26 and 1/2 months they ask to be deported.

So, forget it, this decree is for deporting honest people.

 

[ben]

Right, you can enter without id if you are Argentine. To leave the country is a very difficult thing unless you hide you are local and you are lucky.

So, do not confuse people because they can spend some time in jail for your "advice".

I am not offering advice.

I am just reiterating that in practice, foreign-resident Argentines routinely enter and leave the country on foreign passport. It's that simple.

And I was personally present when DNM in Ezeiza was not allowing someone to leave on a foreign passport because they had overstayed X amount of time (pretty sure it was 90 days but won't swear to that). It's that simple.

Putting your understanding of the law aside - have you heard of Argentines who came here for 2 weeks on a US passport and ran into problems?

Maybe you are right and it is DNM that is misinformed. Whatever. Just telling you it happens, all the time, and I've yet to hear about someone running into problems - entering or leaving.

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EDITED TO ADD: It seems DNM approves explicitly of the practice:

Exceptions [to the reciprocity fee requirement]:
1- Argentine nationals who also bear Canadian or Australian citizenship, and present any of these passports at the Immigration control.​

So it seems you're arguing the government suggests you commit an act that leaves you liable to imprisonment...

Two things I've seen about you, bajo, is that 1) you tend not to let the real world interfere with your worldview, and that 2) you enjoy brandishing 'jail!' as an argument.