New Immigration Decree, Long Life To King Macri!

Welcome to the ignore list.

A. I've been added to that list a couple times and still somehow manage to slip off. Funny that.

B. It's OK, I perfectly understand that to continue to studiously avoid the link I gave to DNM contradicting you was untenable.

Unfortunately, I chose to be an ass about it and keep sticking that link in your face for as long as you ignore it.

DNM clearly allows for Argentines to present a foreign passport, they are exempt from paying the reciprocity fee even while entering on the foreign passport.

The only option left is to stick fingers in ears and go "Nah, nah, I can't hear you!"
 
Welcome to the ignore list.

Well, this should certainly answer anyone who claims that bajo doesn't have good, reasoned arguments for his positions.

(And for the "[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]registered profesional and this is all what you need to know" asserting that an Argentine can enter on a foreign passport, but cannot leave on it? My wife disproves that bullshit answer twice a year. Immigration knows that she has an Argentine passport, but has never in twenty years asked her to show it. Wrong again, bajo.)[/background]
 
Bajo, after Ben got done with you, you should change your moniker to "Bajo_Syndromo" With no offense intended to the people that have that.

If your goal was to score clients from here, you should have said nothing until some poor shnook was paying you by the hour. If I were in your corner I would have thrown in the towel may rounds back. Eat your pride and walk away now, the fact-laden verbal beat-down is getting too ugly.

If you want to be a successful Argentine lawyer, don't pretend to be sure of statements where you have been proven wrong, just wink and tell people. "I know how to fix things." Much more realistic, believable and profitable for our present environs.
 
Mitch, my score is not to get clients here. It is a little bit obvious.
I do not need your advice, thank you.
 
It says "entering". Do you need a dictionary?

Aha, so they're suggesting you enter on a document you're not allowed to use, the implication being you are actually committing a crime - per your above comments - and won't be allowed to leave until you've made an Argentine passport (or unless you lie about being argentine).
Right.

Serious question: are you truly stupid or just trolling?

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EDITED TO ADD: Found a better link, specially for dipshits like you (emphasis added):

[sup]B ) Argentinos que se hubieran naturalizado en países con los cuales la República Argentina NO ha suscripto Convenio de Doble Nacionalidad.[/sup]​
[sup]Serán considerados, a todos los efectos como argentinos.[/sup]​

[sup]1- Ingreso[/sup]​
[sup]En el caso de presentar solamente documento de viaje hábil de la nacionalidad adquirida se intervendrá el mismo o se expedirá la tarjeta pertinente, estampándose el sello de ingreso con la leyenda "ARGENTINO - 180 DIAS" manuscrita bajo el sello.[/sup]​
[sup]En caso en que no constare la condición de argentino en la documentación extranjera y el ingresante la invocara, deberá acreditar dicho extremo mediante la presentación de Documento de Identidad argentino.[/sup]​

[sup]2 - Egreso[/sup]​
[sup]Para salir del país deberán hacerlo con la documentación argentina pertinente, salvo que la permanencia en el país no hubiere excedido el plazo de CIENTO OCHENTA (180) días corridos, circunstancia ésta que les permitirá salir con el documento de viaje de su nacionalidad adquirida, que hubieren utilizado para ingresar al país.[/sup]​

This I found after many hours of laboring, typing into google, one letter at a time, the following complex formula: "argentina pasaporte extranjero".

And you genius lawyer registered professional didn't know this and couldn't find this?! What an asshole.
 
Having mentioned the previous cases that bajo_cero confidently asserted stuff that turned out to be pulled out of his [.] rectal excavations, it ocurred to me that nearly every time bajo quoted something and I took the time to check it out, it turned out to be utter BS.

So I decided to do some reading. And lo and behold, look what I found!

The theory that bajo was/is pushing forward was indeed the case, it appears, from 1984 until late 1991. Per Resolución 2650, adopted at the time that Law Nº 346 was reestablished as the foundation of Argentine nationality law (1984, post military dictatorship), Argentines entering on a foreign passport would have a permanent entry stamp stamped into said passport, with the word ARGENTINO written in. And yes, exiting the country was to be only on Argentine papers. Here is the relevant text of that Resolución (emphasis added):

[sup][...]el argentino, naturalizado en otro país, debe seguir siendo considerado Argentino.[/sup]​
[sup]Al momento del ingreso a la República y en el caso de presentar solamente pasaporte de la nacionalidad adquirida (en el caso de los países limítrofes, documento supletorio: C.I. o L.E. o L.C. o D.N.I.) se les podrá intervenir aquél o expedirle la tarjeta pertinente, según corresponda, estampándose el sello "Permanente" con la leyenda "Argentino" manuscrita bajo el sello.[/sup]​
[sup]Para salir del país deberán hacerlo indefectiblemente con la documentación argentina pertinente.[/sup]

There were other procedures for citizens of countries that had concluded dual nationality agreements with Argentina, but for everyone else this was how it worked.

But that Resolución was amended in late 1991 with Resolución 2578, which stated the following (emphasis added):

[sup]Modificar el Punto III del Anexo I de la Resolución D.N.M. Nº 2650 del 6 de diciembre de 1984, el que quedará redactado de la siguiente manera: "III - ARGENTINOS NATIVOS, NATURALIZADOS EN OTROS PAISES NO ENUMERADOS EN EL PUNTO II Y ARGENTINOS NATURALIZADOS, QUE HUBIERAN A SU VEZ OBTENIDO NUEVA NACIONALIDAD EN CUALQUIER PAIS DEL MUNDO, INCLUSO EN ALGUNO DE LOS MENCIONADOS EN EL PUNTO II:[/sup]​

[sup]Tanto al momento del ingreso, cuanto al egreso o al intentar realizar trámites migratorios, serán considerados a todos los efectos como ARGENTINOS, ya que según la actual LEY DE NACIONALIDAD (346) la nacionalidad argentina no se pierde. Lo único que se pierde es el ejercicio de los derechos políticos.[/sup]​

[sup]Al momento del ingreso a la República y en el caso de presentar solamente pasaporte de la nacionalidad adquirida (en el caso de los países limítrofes, documento supletorio: C.I. o L.E. o L.C. o D.N.I.) se les podrá intervenir aquél o expedirle la tarjeta pertinente, según corresponda, estampándose el sello 'PERMANENTE' con la leyenda 'ARGENTINO' manuscrita bajo el sello. Para salir del país deberán hacerlo con la documentación argentina pertinente, salvo que la permanencia en la República no hubiera excedido de SESENTA (60) días corridos, circunstancia ésta que les permitirá egresar con el documento de identidad de su nacionalidad adquirida, que hubieren utilizado para ingresar al país".[/sup]​

You will note that the text of the bottom paragraph is functionally identical to the text in force today, which I quoted in the previous post. The main difference is that it granted only a 60-day grace period for Argentines to enter-exit the country on a foreign passport, rather than the 180 days established by Disposición 2742/2009 referenced below.

So the guidance bajo is peddling was obsolete since early 1992. I understand bajo_cero was out of the country, or simply busy with tango, or acuatic plant life or whatnot, during the past 25 years or so, so this may be news to him.

But the entire Resolución 2650, including the 1991 amendment, was deprecated/abolished in 2009, with the adoption of Disposición 2742/2009. This is the one in force today. It expressly abolished the above resolutions in their entirety and established, among other things, that Argentines can depart the country on the same foreign passport on which they entered, as long as said entry was within the preceding 180 days. Q.E.D.

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To quote something I read recently by bajo_cero: I don´t understand how you are not ashamed of your ignorance and arrogance.
The difference, of course, is that in your case this ignorance concerns stuff you're supposed to know everything about: this is your day job.

It boggles the mind.

Stuff which is literally your day job, and falls pretty squarely within your direct area of [in]competence, you, an attorney, turn out literally not to know shit about.
And it was all put together - chapter and verse - by a foreigner, whose native tongue isn't even Spanish, in the space of an hour.

For an attorney, of all things, (a "registered professional" to use your term), to blunder so badly his own area of expertise? Kinda unforgivable.

But the douchebaggery in responding to people who dare challenge you? Actually, fits in pretty well with that level of stupefying ignorance. Never mind.
 
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