No Toilet Paper. No Butter. The Future Of Argentina?

[jp]

Is Argentina openly comitted to using the Venezuelan model as an economic plan? Has CFK said as much or her ministers?

Genuine question.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

I haven't heard them say this openly but many of their economic moves are exactly the same. That is also part of my original question.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

Plenty of pizza, though it is much worse than in Italy. Also, peanut butter is impossible to find.

There is peanut butter in Disco. Also found it in Barrio Chino. At first I thought the Barrio Chino PB was some off-brand but it turns out it is literally 100% peanuts. No added oils, sugar, nothing. It's my go-to PB now.

 

[Yogur griego]

I have always felt that Nestor Kirchner took a healthy distance from Hugo Chavezes radical policies and was pretty much like a poor imitation of Lula. After Nestors death the comparison between the two countries became more or less a grey zone. And in this new era, after the death of Hugo Chavez, there has been an increased discourse of closeness between Venezuela and Argentina. However, it's hard to predict if these ties are really based on anything more profound than just opportunism and the power play in international relations.

I think one of the problems of Kirchner is that apart from presenting herself as a charasmatic personality (which is absolutely laughable compared to that of Chávez) she doesn't really have an ideology. At least Chavez knew how to appeal to people with his socialist discourse, but apart from some of the subsidy programs and the increasingly isolationalist economic policies, this government in Argentina is as uncommited and unsteady as possible. It's not left-wing politics, neither right-wing, it's just a bombastic theatre without any true foundation. For K supporters, that is an inconvenient vision, but come on, even the name is absolutely ridiculous ''Frente para la Victoria''. At least names like ''Partido Socialista'' or ''Democracia Cristiana'' or even ''The National Socialists'' woul still make some sense, but this Cristina Kirchner circus can't even cover up that their only ideal is to steal from public funds.

This gov makes an authoritarian impression, and it increasingly is, but remember this is Argentina, a weird country where many developments simply turn out to be eternal illusions.

 

[EdRooney]

I haven't heard them say this openly but many of their economic moves are exactly the same. That is also part of my original question.

Yeah we could do with some Pizza Vino and Economics. I'm sorry I never made it to your Plaza del Carmen PowWows.

I only mentioned the US because you put it as a counter example in your OP, but youre right it would be nice not to digress (as all forums inevitably do).

To reiterate, the only place I have ever heard the Venezuela model comparisons are in bastions of panic rhetoric like TN or Clarín or here in Belgrano, but they really have zero to do with the long term macro-economic trajectory of the country.

Interesting on this aspect: I saw an interview w/ Rigoberta Menchu yesterday where she said that the oligarchs in Guatemala still refer to any opposition as "communists" in spite of the cold war being long over. This has a direct parallel to the way the large power interests here freak out about an "Argenzuela."

Best,

Ed

 

[camberiu]

To reiterate, the only place I have ever heard the Venezuela model comparisons are in bastions of panic rhetoric like TN or Clarín or here in Belgrano, but they really have zero to do with the long term macro-economic trajectory of the country. (...)
This has a direct parallel to the way the large power interests here freak out about an "Argenzuela."

 

[Yogur griego]

You Brazilian old titties-loving weirdo, that was exactly what I wanted to post as well. :wub:

 

[camberiu]

You Brazilian old titties-loving weirdo,

Only hers.....

 

[jp]

In fairness La Campora are more about waving flags than formulating economic policy. But its true that Hugo is a powerful icon that the flag wavers of all nations like to rally behind.

I can see policy similarities between Argentina and Venezuela, but nothing to suggest that Argentina is pursuing Venezuela's economic model.

And I'd agree with Rooney, that generally when Venezuela (or Cuba) is mentioned its in the form of a bogeyman - the worst fears of a sizeable section of Argentine society.

 

[Yogur griego]