Reduced flight schedules and current entry / exit requirements

[sergio]

https://www.miragenews.com/argentine-government-risks-stranding-its-586246/

 

[lost]

Argentina risks stranding its own citizens abroad, airlines warn

Argentina's decision to limit the number of daily international arrivals, in an attempt to curb the spread of Covid-19, runs the risk of stranding thousands of its citizens abroad.

batimes.com.ar

The news article has been picked up by Bloomberg:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This is great so nobody makes the mistake of investing in s.h.c. Argentina.

 

[FrankPintor]

The news article has been picked up by Bloomberg:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This is great so nobody makes the mistake of investing in s.h.c. Argentina.

Oz and NZ stranded their citizens for months, what’s your point?

Also, the time to invest is at the bottom, otherwise one is, well, lost

 

[Alby]

Oz and NZ stranded their citizens for months, what’s your point?

For over a year you mean in Australia's case, with no end in sight, and the situation getting worse not better:

Lockdowns threaten to delay the return of stranded Aussies even further - ABC listen

Australians who are still stranded overseas are watching on anxiously as lockdowns in Australia threaten to further delay their attempts to return home. Advocates say repatriation flights are limited and come without warning, leaving the tens of thousands of Australian citizens and permanent...

www.abc.net.au

 

[antipodean]

So will they allow more than 600 people to LEAVE daily?

How to close a border without "closing a border"....

Leaving is not subject to this limit. The problem is that no airline is going to send an empty plane to Argentina just to pick up pax to take them out - meaning in practical terms capacity has been drastically cut so those wishing to leave are just as “stuck” as those wishing to arrive for the time being.

One option for those urgently needing to leave and unable to find a ticket is a seat on an empty-leg flight private jet flight.
You can usually get to MIA for around $5000 or Uruguay for around $500 one way but departures are spotty and in high demand.

I don't disagree with you but Argentina isn't alone in this insanity right now. It's become a political action above a medical, public health action in many other places too.

While I agree and share the same opinions, the main problem is not border restrictions, which most places have and are also very important and potentially effective tools at slowing infection. It is the nature of the restrictions and real-life collateral effects versus anticipated results that many object to and consider "insanity" - which being an Argentine forum probably has more relevance to discuss/ vent Argentine insanity versus European insanity.

It comes down to the bitter irony that despite having strict border policies in some ways similar to NZ, Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Australia etc. those countries have some of the lowest COVID deaths per capita after 18 months of the pandemic to show for it, while we are left with deaths per capita similar to countries that have left their doors wide open to the world throughout this ordeal (USA, Mexico, Brazil etc.) Based on these basic results to date, people have every reason to be skeptical that new half-baked Argentine restrictions will do little more to save lives than cover yesterday's newspapers and cause a major extra headache for tens of thousands of people.

IMO they should just pick a plan that checks the most boxes and stick with it for as long as necessary. Reduce the variables and minimize distraction for the government and people to deal with.
Perhaps it is better just to require hotel quarantine for everyone at the traveler's own expense. Keep flights open to those that want and need to take them.. at least they would run less chance of home quarantine breaches, have a harmonized national policy, have better traceability of imported cases, disincentivize international travel without leaving people stranded or families separated, potentially incentivize domestic travel, support the employment of airport, logistic and hotel jobs locally and also create operating confidence for businesses ... sooner or later Delta, Delta Lite, Delta Plus and Delta One or whatever it shall be called will all arrive as did the strains before them despite similar restrictions banning flights to certain countries and limiting the number of daily arrivals. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

 

[lost]

Oz and NZ stranded their citizens for months, what’s your point?

So did Argentina back then. But that was a completely different situation when it all started. They could have done this in an orderly fashion this time. The government is just a bunch of incompetent and corrupt douchebags.

 

[lost]

For over a year you mean in Australia's case, with no end in sight, and the situation getting worse not better:

Lockdowns threaten to delay the return of stranded Aussies even further - ABC listen

Australians who are still stranded overseas are watching on anxiously as lockdowns in Australia threaten to further delay their attempts to return home. Advocates say repatriation flights are limited and come without warning, leaving the tens of thousands of Australian citizens and permanent...

www.abc.net.au

Here in Argentina truck drivers come in and out without quarantine and PCR test. It is not sealed off like Australia. This is all a joke. They want to punish international travelers. The best scenario for Alberto would be to keep international travelers stranded until after the elections. They are probably 9x% opposition voters.

 

[jblaze5779]

How to close a border without "closing a border"....

Leaving is not subject to this limit. The problem is that no airline is going to send an empty plane to Argentina just to pick up pax to take them out - meaning in practical terms capacity has been drastically cut so those wishing to leave are just as “stuck” as those wishing to arrive for the time being.

One option for those urgently needing to leave and unable to find a ticket is a seat on an empty-leg flight private jet flight.
You can usually get to MIA for around $5000 or Uruguay for around $500 one way but departures are spotty and in high demand.


While I agree and share the same opinions, the main problem is not border restrictions, which most places have and are also very important and potentially effective tools at slowing infection. It is the nature of the restrictions and real-life collateral effects versus anticipated results that many object to and consider "insanity" - which being an Argentine forum probably has more relevance to discuss/ vent Argentine insanity versus European insanity.

It comes down to the bitter irony that despite having strict border policies in some ways similar to NZ, Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Australia etc. those countries have some of the lowest COVID deaths per capita after 18 months of the pandemic to show for it, while we are left with deaths per capita similar to countries that have left their doors wide open to the world throughout this ordeal (USA, Mexico, Brazil etc.) Based on these basic results to date, people have every reason to be skeptical that new half-baked Argentine restrictions will do little more to save lives than cover yesterday's newspapers and cause a major extra headache for tens of thousands of people.

IMO they should just pick a plan that checks the most boxes and stick with it for as long as necessary. Reduce the variables and minimize distraction for the government and people to deal with.
Perhaps it is better just to require hotel quarantine for everyone at the traveler's own expense. Keep flights open to those that want and need to take them.. at least they would run less chance of home quarantine breaches, have a harmonized national policy, have better traceability of imported cases, disincentivize international travel without leaving people stranded or families separated, potentially incentivize domestic travel, support the employment of airport, logistic and hotel jobs locally and also create operating confidence for businesses ... sooner or later Delta, Delta Lite, Delta Plus and Delta One or whatever it shall be called will all arrive as did the strains before them despite similar restrictions banning flights to certain countries and limiting the number of daily arrivals. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

All this is great if the intent was truly to protect citizens. But it's not the point. The point is to keep people in the country so they don't spend their dollars outside. So things look better when the election happen in a few months. This is what is really aggregating, these guys messing with million of their own people's sanity just so they can keep their own jobs.

This is the only experience I've had essentially living under a "king". It sucks.

 

[antipodean]

Argentina: guía de vuelos aprobados hasta el 12 de julio | Aviacionline.com

Ante las restricciones sanitarias impuestas por el gobierno argentino, se han reducido drásticamente gran parte de los vuelos hacia y desde el territorio. En esta nota actualizaremos el estado de los vuelos a medida que vayamos obteniendo información. Entendemos la situación de incertidumbre que...

www.aviacionline.com

Here is a link with the list of approved flights in July available to date. It is to be updated when more information available to check back in if approved flights for your airline are not available yet.

 

[FrankPintor]

Here in Argentina truck drivers come in and out without quarantine and PCR test. It is not sealed off like Australia. This is all a joke. They want to punish international travelers. The best scenario for Alberto would be to keep international travelers stranded until after the elections. They are probably 9x% opposition voters.

I see your point, but Australia is unfortunately finding out right now it's not quite as sealed off as it thought. And with something like 4% of its population vaccinated, it's a sitting duck for an aggressive variant like Delta / India.

Freight and goods still need to move, and it's been very well documented how COVID travels along trade and truck routes. No way around that I think, all Argentina can do is try to slow the spread of Delta (it's already in Chile) while the vaccination program continues to ramp up.

Again, as has been the case all through the pandemic, there are no good options here.