Smoking Pot Like A Pack Of Cigs....

To get back to the topic :)

"A recent UN report criticised the legalisation of drugs, saying it posed a health danger."

I had to laugh when I imagined a similar statement that could be made: "A recent UN report criticised the crossing of streets, saying it posed a health danger."

Idiots.
 
To get back to the topic :)

"A recent UN report criticised the legalisation of drugs, saying it posed a health danger."

I had to laugh when I imagined a similar statement that could be made: "A recent UN report criticised the crossing of streets, saying it posed a health danger."

Idiots.

In Argentina, that's truer than elsewhere.
 
Oh FFS, you haven't been following the Jimmy Savile case at all?

Seriously, guys, if you're oblivious to something that's been in the news for the last 18 months, it's not incumbent on me to do your research.
As if we need reminding....
 
It wil be interesting to see how legalisation interacts with the social values of the uruguayan society given that from one day to another it can be freely and legally consumed.
 
Well, where to start. Personally I don't smoke 'the herb' but believe that a logically consistent and coherent cost benefit analysis is rarely employed in evaluating the relative merits/demerits of criminalisation/prohibition versus legalisation/regulation.

This seems to be the case both in the i) theoretical sense (the elements selected to be balanced on either the cost or benefit side are picked arbitrarily to give a pre-determined 'answer' rather than using a more holistic and coherent approach to cost/benefit element selection pre-analysis) and the ii) evidential cost benefit analysis (suffers from this same 'partisan element selection' problem but also suffers from an additional problem whereby cultural specific data/results are generalised to give specific 'answers', [e.g. applying the Portugal or Holland data to predict what this would mean in other cultures] a subsidiary issue here relates to partisan element selection often ignoring data from the globalised reality of illicit production and this related impact across borders. In other words costs and benefits are evaluated within a nation and not across them).

A further, and at first blush insurmountable, methodological obstacle is that of incomensurability between disparate elements or data. How can one weigh the cost of a negative health impact for an individual in a western country against the risk of torture or more severe cartel or government violence in a 'producing' country (assuming for example illegality in both locations). I will come back to this later, but for now let's hold this though.

Let's move away from the usual intellectually dishonest element selection and get back to a more coherent approach then. In order to more justifiably evaluate the costs and benefits it would first be necessary to make several analytical distinctions. We could, for example, take a fairly uncontentious approach as follows: Everyone can agree that their are both individual and social implications to both legalisation and prohibition. Further most would also agree that implications can further be divided across national, international and transnational geographies. So if we assume the importance of elements along both a broad and narrow selection we can reach the most complete scope for our initial analysis. Right now we have 3 core element selection areas (individual level, social level , national/globalised level) We could then think of several potential costs and benefits at each of these conceptual levels and ask how they would manifest within a state of legality or a state of illegality (ideally one would want to collect actual data across each variable type but one could also make logical assumptions and speculate in other justifiable ways). One may list, for example both negative and positive effects across variables such as: individual physical health, individual psychological health, individual economic issues, social cultural, social economic, social structural organisation, exploitation by criminal enterprise, exploitation by governmental structure, transnational commerce. These are but a few examples, a more exhaustive list would of course be required to investigate the issue beyond the cursory methodological level at which we are currently aiming.

This being said I personally am of the view that when comparing the costs and benefits of legalisation versus the costs and benefits of illegality we would more than likely see that the prohibition itself provides a kind of global cost which far outweighs the purported benefits of legalisation. This is what I was suggesting was the case despite my incomensurability point earlier. Even if it were true that legalisation would increase consumption and therefore, let's say, related domestic health costs (which the cultural specific data of Portugal for example does not show, it shows the opposite; a decrease of consumption post legalisation). So even if we were to ignore this data and assume that legalisation would increase individual, social and national level health costs in a consumption country this would imho be offset by the related reduction in costs in an exporting producing country. The type of costs saving in the producing country, moreover, may not be directly commensurable but would be on a different value scale to those (also debatable) health costs in the consumer country. Gang warfare over production territories, militarisation of whole countries, large quantities of ilicit money corrupting political, economic and social development in the supply countries and all the related spilt blood and lost opportunity as a result would probably tip the balance quite far in one direction.

As I said before, and I am being slightly guilty of this myself, a serious cost benefit analysis would have to be done across various elements to reach a proper answer; to pick favourable variables is in itself is not really justifiable. Even so, with all the data we have currently available the very least what ought to be done is to seriously consider experimentation and re evaluation of current global legal frameworks. In this regard I praise Uruguay's attempts.

A further problem which is perhaps worth mentioning relates to the politicisation of the topic. What I mean by this is that both in democracy and dictatorship the political classes have certain topics/discourses/logics which are used instrumentally in the perpetuation of the status quo and related power structures. These issues usually take on a functionality in politics which goes beyond the logic of the contents which the discourses represent. Moreover the ideological investment put into certain closed and simplified 'political slogans or messages' can be very hard for the political classes to break free from once they have adopted them in this instrumental manner. This is the case despite contradictory independent, non political, coherent and logical evaluations/research, whether scientific, social or moral. We can see this clearly in the UK where every few years an independent expert committee or royal commission is set up to investigate drug legality/legalisation, generally they make detailed cost benefit analysis and recommend that cannabis should be decriminalised or recategorised. The government of the day always ignores this recommendation.

PS; Sorry for the lack of clarity but half way through writing this I realised I may have bitten off more than I can currently chew. I in any case have decided to post it despite the possibility that I may be producing more heat than light... o_O

Thoughts... ? :)
 
Are you sure you don't smoke weed? Because the only time I indulge in that kind of long-winded sesquipedalianism is after burning a lot of rope...

At least in the USA, the initial justification offered by Harry Anslinger for outlawing cannabis was blatantly racist; he openly used the N-word. And the arguments have gone nowhere but further from rationality since then.

Today, the rabidly anti-cannabis position adopted by Uncle Sam is used as an excuse for political domination, an excuse for the DEA and every other alphabet soup agency to have a presence in client states like Colombia. This is especially raw when contrasted to the gross increase in Opium production in Afghanistan under the US occupation. That opium production allows for the collection of huge under-the-table revenues by the US intelligence community, and of course the same thing was done in Southeast Asia during the interminable US wars there.

So while your outline of methodologies may be rational, it assumes the availability of untainted data, which absolutely does not exist, and will not be allowed to exist.

I would suggest that a far simpler and more pragmatic approach is simply to view it as an issue of individual sovereignty.
 
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Could you please post a link to any stories about the "BBC" being "a nest of child-raping perverts." A google search did not reveal any links.

I said I wasn't going to, but this came up in the headlines today...

http://presstv.com/d...admits-to-rape/


A former BBC presenter has admitted to the indecent assault of a teenage girl in the late seventies, but has denied 20 other counts of sexual assault.

On Tuesday, Stuart Hall confessed ahead of his trial for 20 other counts of sexual abuse, fifteen of which are alleged rape charges. The trial is expected to last for seven days.

The 84-year-old was brought to court from prison, where he is currently serving out a 15 month prison sentence for the indecent assault of 13 girls between the ages of 9 and 17 between 1967 and 1986, which he pleaded guiltily to in last April.

The fresh charges are related to two women who claim he assaulted them on multiple occasions between January 1976 and January 1981. One of the two women, who are now in their 40’s and 50’s, claims she was under the age of 13 when she was first assaulted.
Following the Appeal Court’s review, his sentence was extended to 30 months.

Until lately, Hall was a well-known voice on BBC radio, where he commented on English Premier League football for over a decade.
 
and another one...

http://presstv.com/d...osecuted-again/


Former BBC radio DJ Dave Lee Travis is to be prosecuted over allegations of indecent sexual assault, a month after being cleared of 12 offenses against women spanning three decades.

The 68-year-old presenter will face a retrial on two separate counts including indecent and sexual assault, after a jury failed to reach verdicts last month, prosecutors at the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said on Friday.

The prosecution office refused to provide further details on the charges.

The aged entertainer is one of Britain's best-known DJs to have performed during the 1970s and 1980s.

The indictment of the UK celebrity comes as part of Operation Yewtree investigation, which was set up after hundreds of allegations of abuse against former BBC entertainer Jimmy Savile emerged following his death in 2011.

Several high-profile figures have been arrested over the inquiry into indecent abuses surrounding the British entertainment industry, including TV presenter Rolf Harris, singer Gary Glitter, radio presenter Stuart Hall, former TV producer Wilfred De'Ath and comedians Freddie Starr and Jim Davidson.
British TV presenter Rolf Harris has been accused of numerous sexual abuse crimes against victims aged 19 in 1984, aged seven or eight in 1968 or 1969, and aged 14 in 1975.

The world’s longest-serving soap star William Roache has gone to court over seven charges of rape and sexual abuse
 
Anyone from Nor-Cal in the forum? Do you know where Mendocino region is? I , once had an acquitance living in Bolinas beach earning his living by fishing for black rock fish then taking the catch all the way to San Francisco's famed china-town then unloading his catch thus earning the daily bread, so I thought. Was very wrong! He was doin' that as a front...His real money making was- having hectares
of that ilicit weed plantation called, _Sin semillas_that yielded the gigantic "candle stick" buds and now he is behind bars....
 
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