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[internationalguy]

People do think it's all about the website not working. When the next step kicks in (business mandate) a lot of things are going to get much uglier.

 

[scotttswan]

Then went easy on you. Just check out how many ridiculous things you're going to be forced to get coverage for.

what are these ridiculous things your forced to get coverage for? Creutzfeldt jakob disease? Elephantiasis? Kuru Disease?

 

[internationalguy]

Women over 50 who MUST get maternity coverage. That's just one example.

 

[scotttswan]

Women over 50 who MUST get maternity coverage. That's just one example.

Men have to get maternity coverage too and they have 0% chance of getting pregnant.

Before the Affordable Care Act, insurance companies were free to charge women more for health insurance than men - essentially treating the fact of being female as a pre-existing condition - with the excuse that women could get pregnant, and thus they, and not those who couldn't be pregnant, should have to pay for the cost of childbearing.

Doesn't sound that crazy that all members of society should bear the burden of people having kids.

 

[internationalguy]

Men have to get maternity coverage too and they have 0% chance of getting pregnant.



Doesn't sound that crazy that all members of society should bear the burden of people having kids.

I said among other things. You just don't get it.


In case you haven’t noticed, starting January 1st 2014 you will be required to buy a health insurance policy from an exchange if you do not have employer coverage. If you have insurance through your employer, he or she will have to decide between paying a $2,000 penalty or continuing to provide you with your current plan. However, many employers have figured out that offering a plan that covers only the minimum requirements under law may be a way of avoiding the larger penalty.
The concept of the “skinny” insurance plans make up just one of 8 reasons why Obamacare sucks.

• 1. These “skinny insurance plans,” as noted in the Wall Street Journal and Avik Roy, will work like this: by offering coverage that may not meet the minimum standards, employees may seek a new health insurance policy on the exchanges. If employers offer a lesser policy they will have a lower fine applied. So there is a perverse incentive for employers to change what kind of policies they offer next year and employees will have to spend time evaluating whether the reduced coverage is worth the risk. If they decide it’s not worth the risk. they will be forced to shop on the exchanges and evaluate the policy options there. So much for “if you like your policy you can keep it”. Obamacare as written will provoke employers to either drop or reduce coverage.

• 2. The upside of employers dropping coverage is that individuals would seek coverage that they could retain regardless of their current job. The downside is that the policy requirements for the Obamacare exchanges will be so high that costs for individuals will be much higher than promised for most folks under 40. You won’t have an opportunity to purchase a policy that fits your personal circumstances and you will be forced to carry coverage for events you may consider unnecessary. Say you happen to be a man and you know prenatal care isn’t for you, or if you aren’t planning on being addicted to hard drugs, you don’t need coverage for rehab. Perhaps you plan on having children who act like adults before they are 27, so you don’t need a policy that would eventually cover them. Obamacare obliterates the catastrophic coverage option so you will be forced to purchase coverage for events you are sure you will never experience.

The problem with one-size-fits-all solutions is that everything has been decided for you and you will be forced to purchase a policy that costs more than you’d like, that contains features that you have no interest in.​

• 3. If you are one of the folks who now will be on Medicaid — I’ve got some bad news for you. Even in some of the better-run Medicaid systems, the predicted outcomes for patients are neutral to negative compared to no insurance. Worse, the missing money isn’t being spent on you but is being spent elsewhere:

“Given that Medicaid will spend $6,000 per person per year for around $1,250 in patient health spending and no improvement in health outcomes, it’s entirely appropriate — if not imperative — for conservatives to oppose Obamacare’s expansion of the Medicaid program.”​

• 4. The IRS will now be in charge of confirming whether your health insurance plan is sufficient and will require information on your current insurance policy. Many individuals are exempt from the mandate, but the IRS determines whether you are exempt. Let’s just say theIRS’ track record as of late makes me question whether they have the ability to perform this role fairly and effectively. “Moreover, Obamacare will require Americans to update the IRS regularly on what’s going on in their lives” If you have no concerns about the IRS gaining access to personal medical records, I’d suggest reading this or having your head examined by an a professional — if you can get an appointment after the system is flooded with new participants next year.

• 5. There will be plenty new folks out there with their shiny new Obamacare card. As a reminder for some, Obamacare is not healthcare, it’s government mandated health insurance. It does not a guarantee that any doctor will see you. There are many doctors already moving to concierge care, retiring, or not taking Medicaid and Medicare patients and the flood of new participants hasn’t even begun. I’d suggest bringing something to read whilst in the queue.

• 6. This may be the most expensive “feel good” measure ever pursued by Democrats.Normally pharmaceutical companies are required to conduct double-blind studies to prove efficacy precisely because of the known phenomenon called the “placebo effect“. The government, having to answer to no one, apparently doesn’t have to prove that it impacts outcomes. Despite all evidence presented in the previously mentioned Oregon Medicaid study , it’s now a sufficient outcome that people felt better despite extracting no value for the taxpayer’s dollar. Obamacare will prove to be the most expensive sugar pill ever sold to the American public.

• 7. Obamacare is now projected to cost $1.8 trillion while 31 million people will remain uninsured. Remind me, didn’t we have to pass this now because there were 30 million uninsured?

• 8. Sadly, the GOP hasn’t coalesced on a plan to move the United States to a better way to manage the costs and access to healthcare. Worse, there appears to be 42% of Americans unaware that the Affordable Care Act even exists.

 

[steveinbsas]

Obamacare is now projected to cost $1.8 trillion while 31 million people will remain uninsured. Remind me, didn’t we have to pass this now because there were 30 million uninsured?

Didn't BHO promise not to sign into law any health care legislation that would increase the deficit?

Wasn't the projected cost less than a trillion dollars?

So how is the additional (100% increase) going to be paid?

Oh, of course.

By skyrocketing premiums that will be paid by the citizens who can't live without health care, but may get less of it than ever even though they will be paying more than ever.

Sounds like a helluva plan to me.

 

[Jaredberryman]

I'm trying to think why Democrats passed this thing and the only thing I can think of is that they are A) completely dishonest and have an ulterior motive, or are trying to make a crappy law so they can then come in and say, "this doesn't work so the only solution is a single-payer universal health care system." It's got to be one of the two.

 

[steveinbsas]

I'm trying to think why Democrats passed this thing and the only thing I can think of is that they are A) completely dishonest and have an ulterior motive, or are trying to make a crappy law so they can then come in and say, "this doesn't work so the only solution is a single-payer universal health care system." It's got to be one of the two.

You are right, but it's both A and B.

They have an ulterior motive.

They passed a crappy law in order to lead to a single payer (which is the government) health care system.

And the motive isn't providing health care.

It's having the power to control others.

 

[internationalguy]

You are right, but it's both A and B.

They have an ulterior motive.

They passed a crappy law in order to lead to a single payer (which is the government) health care system.

And the motive isn't providing health care.

It's having the power to control others.

While they get credit for being the ones who care about the underprivileged and the vulnerable.

 

[StevePalermo]

Maybe you should see the big picture and stop attacking arlean over some detail.

If she keeps on posting garbage that she refuses to substantiate (Hitler dishing out fluoride in the camps!) or just getting her facts wrong, then I'll keep on calling her out when I come across it. If she doesn't like it maybe she should check her sources before posting her paranoid fantasies here.