Totally Paranoid Question: Creative Security Solutions?

[BASailor]

I feel the government here is going to get more oppressive. I don't trust them.

Well done. Nobody should trust them. They are the worst government here, only comparable with those of the 90's and the military.

 

[BASailor]

When somebody got into your home during night the law allows you to kill no questions ask.

During day or outside you have to evidence self defense. The requirements are: 1) no previous provocation 2) you have to be victim or an illegal attack 3) there should be a proportion on the force or violence you use (if someone wants to rob you just intimidating you because of his looks, then you cannot shoot him 9 times just in case) 4) imminent risk (if they already rob you and they are running, you cannot kill them by the back because then the risk is over).

So, in the case he mentioned, he was allowed to kill them without consequences.
Regards

Thanks for the information.
Anyway, ethically it's never without consecuences, unless you've got no conscience. I mean absolutely cold blooded in which case there would be no difference between a criminal and a non criminal if both can kill a human being without remorse.

 

[el_expatriado]

The problem with Argentina is that the criminals have more rights than the victims.

If I have a gang of criminals break into my house, they will be fired upon. I am not going to wait and see whether the criminal is armed with a knife or a gun. I won't be asking them politely if they just want to take my things or if they'd also like to rape my wife and torture us before deciding whether to shoot them. I shoot center mass. I don't shoot to wound.

If I have to go jail because of Argentina's F***ED UP legal system, so be it. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[BASailor]

The problem with Argentina is that the criminals have more rights than the victims.

If I have a gang of criminals break into my house, they will be fired upon. I am not going to wait and see whether the criminal is armed with a knife or a gun. I won't be asking them politely if they just want to take my things or if they'd also like to rape my wife and torture us before deciding whether to shoot them. I shoot center mass. I don't shoot to wound.

If I have to go jail because of Argentina's F***ED UP legal system, so be it. That's my opinion anyway.

I wish you never have to do that.
Otherwise, good luck.

 

[Iznogud]

The problem with Argentina is that the criminals have more rights than the victims.
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Having this type of opinion published on the interwebs is likely to come bite you in the ass if your scenario ever becomes a reality.
Mental and practical preparedness are welcomed. For the other stuff, STFU is the rule. Also a well known rule. Think of MIRANDA: Anything you say...
As you well said, criminals appear to have enforceable rights not available to the common, law abiding citizen.

 

[el_expatriado]

If the scenario ever becomes a reality, the fact that I made a post on a message board at some time is the last thing that is going to be on my list of worries.

 

[citygirl]

I always think back to what my lawyer here told me when these discussions come up. His advice: If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them, you better shoot to kill. Because if you just injure them, they're probably going to wind up sueing you, winning and getting all your property anyway. Either way, the robbery works. So shoot to kill and then claim self-defense.

Something to keep in mind here..

 

[French jurist]

I always think back to what my lawyer here told me when these discussions come up. His advice: If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them, you better shoot to kill. Because if you just injure them, they're probably going to wind up sueing you, winning and getting all your property anyway. Either way, the robbery works. So shoot to kill and then claim self-defense.

Something to keep in mind here..

That's the way to do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpPBc4ZUSlo

 

[BASailor]

I always think back to what my lawyer here told me when these discussions come up. His advice: If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them, you better shoot to kill. Because if you just injure them, they're probably going to wind up sueing you, winning and getting all your property anyway. Either way, the robbery works. So shoot to kill and then claim self-defense.

Something to keep in mind here..

If that happens, it means that you and the criminal are the same. If not, you'd never think about killing a human being.

 

[MorganF]

Hey hey hey... as the creator of this thread, I'd love for us to return to the original theme of this thread... (feel free to throw stones -- whether or not the stone throwing is justified -- at glass houses on other threads, that I didn't start) -- so... any other ideas on creative ways to minimize crime against us individually?

morgan

If that happens, it means that you and the criminal are the same. If not, you'd never think about killing a human being.