Villa Soldati - Are you watching?

[va2ba]

For anyone who wants to see photos to understand a little better, Clarin has a series of photos from each day here:

http://www.clarin.com/ciudades/FOTOGALERIAS-Parque-Indoamericano-Villa-Soldati_0_388161444.html

 

[Amargo]

Since 2003, pesos invested in education by the federal government: 1826 million

Judging by the amount of money they have spent and for the results they have achieved, I would say they are VERY corrupt or utter incompetent...or probably both.

Schools built under federal funds 2003-2010: 1000+

Todo humo...I happen to know a few schools in Misiones which were 'inaugurated' By CK and the chupamedias of the governor, in front of TV teams, of course. Two years went by and the schools still have no electricity and no running water.
Even in the best parts of the great Buenos Aires schools are falling down! Talk to teachers and see what they say.

 

[Gringoboy]

As far as I can see, it's a CFK v Macri thing.
She'll let it happen and wish to watch him implode.
It's entirely political.

 

[jaredwb]

I am sickened by some of the recent posts blaming Macri and/or other Gov for the "problem". The BLAME is 100% on those that decided that the park was free land "owed" to them. Period!

And those that defend these rats because they are poor are mistaken! This is not a problem of "the poor". There are many poor who are dignified and have pride. They work. They struggle. They strive for a better life for themselves. They don't DEMAND the Govt GIVE them houses.

This is yet another display of years of failed South American Socialism. Bolivia, Venezuela, Argentina.

Generations of lazy, uneducated, welfare recipients who have no work ethic and would rather have litters of babies so they get the Govt checks then work...even if a job were handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, they would probably just sell the platter.

And now, you have the crazy left militants at the park protesting and "defending" the poor thieves. WTF?? Why the hell are they even there??

 

[JoeBlow]

I am sickened by some of the recent posts blaming Macri and/or other Gov for the "problem". The BLAME is 100% on those that decided that the park was free land "owed" to them. Period!

And those that defend these rats because they are poor are mistaken! This is not a problem of "the poor". There are many poor who are dignified and have pride. They work. They struggle. They strive for a better life for themselves. They don't DEMAND the Govt GIVE them houses.

This is yet another display of years of failed South American Socialism. Bolivia, Venezuela, Argentina.

Generations of lazy, uneducated, welfare recipients who have no work ethic and would rather have litters of babies so they get the Govt checks then work...even if a job were handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, they would probably just sell the platter.

And now, you have the crazy left militants at the park protesting and "defending" the poor thieves. WTF?? Why the hell are they even there??

Come on, you can be more original than that with your condescending comments. Can't you? I mean you've got no flow! You gotta get off your cookie-cutter troll speech. I just heard something similar this morning about the poor people in Andorra.

 

[nikad]

I am sickened by some of the recent posts blaming Macri and/or other Gov for the "problem". The BLAME is 100% on those that decided that the park was free land "owed" to them. Period!

And those that defend these rats because they are poor are mistaken! This is not a problem of "the poor". There are many poor who are dignified and have pride. They work. They struggle. They strive for a better life for themselves. They don't DEMAND the Govt GIVE them houses.

This is yet another display of years of failed South American Socialism. Bolivia, Venezuela, Argentina.

Generations of lazy, uneducated, welfare recipients who have no work ethic and would rather have litters of babies so they get the Govt checks then work...even if a job were handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, they would probably just sell the platter.

And now, you have the crazy left militants at the park protesting and "defending" the poor thieves. WTF?? Why the hell are they even there??

The problem is far more complex than that in my opinion. I actually think both the Nat Govt, the city Govt and the people that took over the place have valid points. Also, try to imagine what type of job a villero is able to get when he is asked for his address and he lives in a villa ( ie, no street, no number, etc ) Apart from all of these, if you are going to give opinions you should at least try and read the National Constitution to see what you are really talking about. That being said, I do not like the K´s, I am not for illegal immigration ( Bolivians, Peruvians, perma-tourists from " first " world countries, etc ) or client poor people in hands of politicians.

 

[Moxon]

Judging by the amount of money they have spent and for the results they have achieved, I would say they are VERY corrupt or utter incompetent...or probably both.

What results do you wish to see? The majority of this investment has occurred over the last two or three years do you think it will be registered instantly or do you think it will take time as students who benefit from it come through the school system? I think there is much more to be done with the general culture of learning in public schools and the standard and morale of teachers but this will require efforts made over numerous terms of government to overcome.

Todo humo...I happen to know a few schools in Misiones which were 'inaugurated' By CK and the chupamedias of the governor, in front of TV teams, of course. Two years went by and the schools still have no electricity and no running water.

If you can show me the report that says these schools are not currently functioning (I assume you mean the 4 inaugurated in November 2008) I will subtract them from the number quoted (its something more than 1004 now so I will be generous and make it an even 1000).

Even in the best parts of the great Buenos Aires schools are falling down! Talk to teachers and see what they say.

Yes, in CABA also. The role of maintenance of schools built by provincial governments lies with the same provincial governments, hence the protests you no doubt saw this year against the administrations responsible. There is no doubt this is a big problem and every time Argentina plunges into crisis these are the things which are neglected while the immediate emergencies and social unrest are dealt with. I don't believe the country ever manages to catch up to where it should've been had these crises not occurred and so institutions and infrastructure deteriorate over time. Though this certainly isn't a problem just confined to Argentina.

 

[jaredwb]

Come on, you can be more original than that with your condescending comments. Can't you? I mean you've got no flow! You gotta get off your cookie-cutter troll speech. I just heard something similar this morning about the poor people in Andorra.

Coming from someone named JoeBlow...how original.

Are you just going to throw insults or actually discuss why my post was so offensive and condescending?

 

[jaredwb]

The problem is far more complex than that in my opinion. I actually think both the Nat Govt, the city Govt and the people that took over the place have valid points. Also, try to imagine what type of job a villero is able to get when he is asked for his address and he lives in a villa ( ie, no street, no number, etc ) Apart from all of these, if you are going to give opinions you should at least try and read the National Constitution to see what you are really talking about. That being said, I do not like the K´s, I am not for illegal immigration ( Bolivians, Peruvians, perma-tourists from " first " world countries, etc ) or client poor people in hands of politicians.

I was not discussing the constitutionality of the situation...Not sure but don't care what the constitution says about immigration. It is a disaster. Completely open borders. Stealing from the citizens to pay for housing, food, healthcare, of immigrants (legal and not). I think we agree on this

Still, I don't see this as an immigration issue. I would feel the same if they were all AR citizens in the park.

In my first or second post I gave equal blame for the situation to the city/national gov and the squatters. To see Macri and Super Mario (Fernandez) argue over what to do is incredible. Its like two 7 years olds fighting.

And where is CFK? Kind of a lose/lose situation for her, no? Its poor vs poorer. She can't pit the San Isidroids against the Villans on this one.

 

[pauper]

The Federal and City governments have both let these people down. The Federal government in neglecting to at least provide security around the park to stop the attacks (thankfully the gendarmeria now finally have a cordon in place around the park for the night). The remainder of responsibility by law and mandate lies with the GCBA, despite pleas from those in the park they sent no representatives to talk or negotiate with them nor has there been any preliminary investigation around who split the land into lots and distributed and sold it to the occupiers. Today the federal government offered to provide land and houses for these people under a payment plan and the city government refused.

In addition the administration of social services (and the administration of the south of the city in particular) by Macri has been abysmal. This is someone who ended the hotel voucher scheme in place since 2000 without providing an alternative putting hundreds on the street. Someone who created an entity for the control of public space that patroled the city at night harassing and assaulting homeless people, taking their blankets, mattresses and belongings and on at least one occassion rounded them up into a truck and dumped them in Avellaneda.

There are still numerous unanswered questions -

Why after the eviction on the first night were the same people allowed to re-enter the park by the policia metropolitana?

What truth is there to numerous reports of punteros and representatives aligned to Macri encouraging people to take the land and of the involvement of Cristian Ritondo?

What truth is there to the numerous reports of witnesses of the metropolitan police engaging in acts of violence in and out of uniform after the first night and being involved in the death of Juan Castañeta Quispe?