You Know You're Living In A 3Rd World Country When...

He's a she, and only 18 years old. Posted a HUGE amount of queries here before. Check the name change. And now responds to a thread from two years ago, with great vehemence....that's gratitude for you!

She's only 18? Is that why her username is Littlebird? She should only be allowed to speak about her VAST experience once she's 19, has raised kids as a single mom with no help, or has gone through a bad divorce, or has lost all her life savings due to an economic crisis, has filed for bankruptcy, or has cared for an elderly parent, or has done anything that a mature adult has done in order to survive.

As far as her comment about that's why people hate Americans, I beg to differ. Many Argentines love North Americans. They think they're friendly and very generous with tips and many dream about going to NYC or Miami. I don't know where she got the idea that Argentines hate North Americans. Once she's actually lived in Argentina maybe she can enlighten us.
 
http://www.hurriyetd...2&NewsCatID=469

An interesting article about another country I lived in for 6 years.. just prior to Argentina.
I feel it covers well, the issue of societal breakdown that not just Turkey faces.. but several if not all countries in varying degrees.
 
http://www.hurriyetd...2&NewsCatID=469

An interesting article about another country I lived in for 6 years.. just prior to Argentina.
I feel it covers well, the issue of societal breakdown that not just Turkey faces.. but several if not all countries in varying degrees.

It's a very interesting article. How would you compare it with Argentina's society? When I talk to older Argentines, they don't think society has broken down, they are convinced that it was always broken. Today I was chatting with two Argentine colleagues about how Australia was founded by the British who sent criminals and convicts there as punishment but how now it's one of the most advanced societies in the world. They laughed and commented that England differs from Spain in that the former colonized countries and advanced them, whereas the latter were "pirates" who didn't colonize countries so much as they robbed from them and left.
 
FYI filthy rich Americans don't live in Argentina...... i believe those live in....... Monaco?
Ok...
equally as superficial Americans who are living in a country they hate because they can take advantage of it and live as though they were filthy rich...
 
She's only 18? Is that why her username is Littlebird? She should only be allowed to speak about her VAST experience once she's 19, has raised kids as a single mom with no help, or has gone through a bad divorce, or has lost all her life savings due to an economic crisis, has filed for bankruptcy, or has cared for an elderly parent, or has done anything that a mature adult has done in order to survive.

As far as her comment about that's why people hate Americans, I beg to differ. Many Argentines love North Americans. They think they're friendly and very generous with tips and many dream about going to NYC or Miami. I don't know where she got the idea that Argentines hate North Americans. Once she's actually lived in Argentina maybe she can enlighten us.
Not every adult experiences such extremes like that. Let's not be so dramatic.

It's not that I don't like my own country. It just means I dislike certain groups, especially those that have "domestic employees" in what they consider a 3rd world country, unfortunately forcing them to live somewhere where they hate the food. (really? Americans complaining about food in the steak capital of the world? Too ironic to handle...)
That's all :)
Maybe I'm mistaken, but so far no one's really convinced me otherwise..
Good bye...:)
 
Not every adult experiences such extremes like that. Let's not be so dramatic.

It's not that I don't like my own country. It just means I dislike certain groups, especially those that have "domestic employees" in what they consider a 3rd world country, unfortunately forcing them to live somewhere where they hate the food. (really? Americans complaining about food in the steak capital of the world? Too ironic to handle...)
That's all :)
Maybe I'm mistaken, but so far no one's really convinced me otherwise..
Good bye... :)

If Americans were filthy rich they wouldn't live in Argentina, they would be living in Malibu, or in a nice penthouse in Upper West Side New York. I'm not being dramatic. Single mom's, and those caring for their aging parents is an everyday struggle for many, many people. And having domestic help at home provides people with a job, otherwise what would they do for a living? My friend had a top job in Citibank here until 2001 and moved to NYC and started cleaning apartments and he was thankful to have work. Live a little before you comment on everyone else's life choices. Good bye and good riddance.
 
Not every adult experiences such extremes like that. Let's not be so dramatic.

It's not that I don't like my own country. It just means I dislike certain groups, especially those that have "domestic employees" in what they consider a 3rd world country, unfortunately forcing them to live somewhere where they hate the food. (really? Americans complaining about food in the steak capital of the world? Too ironic to handle...)
That's all :)
Maybe I'm mistaken, but so far no one's really convinced me otherwise..
Good bye... :)


I moved out of the USA fourteen years ago today. Since then I have owned several apartments and houses (one was in Mexico). I have never had a domestic employee, nor have I lived with anyone who performed household chores for me. While it's true that many of the expats living in Central and South America have domestic employees that they probably could not afford if they were still living in the USA, they were not forced to live "somewhere they hate the food" for this reason. (Yesterday the reason was a "country that they seem to hate because it's cheap for them.")

Did it ever occur to you that paying someone in Argentina to perform domestic work is actually beneficial to the employee and, in a socialist paradise where the laws truly favor the worker, including setting minimum wages, that the employees might not consider themselves as being "exploited" (the term you used yesterday)? As others have noted in this thread, Argentina is not a "third world" country and I doubt that any North American expats living in Argentina consider that it is. Even where I (the only North American) live, municipal services are very good, trash collection is performed regularly and the streets (which are not paved) are graded as soon as possible after they become rutted and/or bumpy following a heavy rain.

The only food I've eaten in restaurants in Argentina during the past four and a half years has been pizza (four times). The quality of the pizza had declined along with the economy as vendors have started using cheaper ingredients (cheese and flour). My Argentine friends and I have stopped eating pizza in restaurants and now only make it at home. Using the best flour and mozzarella we can buy, it is still cheaper to make high quality pizza at home than have it at a restaurant. We also have asado at our houses rather in restaurants. Even when I lived in Recoleta, I rarely ate in restaurants, but I've never hated the food in Argentina. That's undoubtedly because I know how to prepare my own meals and enjoy doing so.

Regarding steak, the quality of beef even from the best carnercerias has declined in the past four years as the best Argentine beef is exported. The beef that is sold at a controlled price is almost inedible. I recently bought some tapa de asado at a supermarket and it was so tough that I couldn't eat it (after it had been grilled on the parilla) until I cut it in cubes and let it simmer for several hours on the stove in a pot with onions and veggies, making an "asado" stew. Argentina may produce some of the best beef in the world, but Argentina is far from being the world's "steak capital" today.

I can "relate" to your goal of moving here and speaking only castellano with the locals because that's exactly what I've done. The difference is that I did not move Capital Federal or to my present location because I wanted to avoid contact with "filthy rich North Americans" any more that I wanted to exploit cheap domestic employees. I did move to Capital Federal as a "cheap" alternative" to Paris and four year later I moved to my present location as a "cheap" alternative to living in the French countryside. I doubt that I would have had any domestic help in France, either. I grew up in a middle class US family without any sisters and my mother had a heart condition so I'm used to performing household chores.

Disliking certain groups because they have something you don't have or don't want (in this case domestic employees) is the hallmark of class envy or class contempt. it is something that is created by the "socialist" mentality which has been spoon fed to the youth of America (as well as the rest of the world) for decades. Moving to another country because the cost of living is less than the one you're in is not an "imperialist" act. Paying the prevailing local wage (which, in Argentina is dictated by law) is not an act of exploitation any more than buying property is an act of theft, but that concept can be left for another discussion.
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the steak capital of the world? Too ironic to handle...)
That's all :)
Maybe I'm mistaken, but so far no one's really convinced me otherwise..
Good bye...:)
#1. It's has not been the steak capital anywhere for several years. Grass fed beef no longer exists. It's all feedlot beef.
#2. No one will ever convince you of anything.
 
So then, maybe it is time to define "domestic employee". Do you mean that a single person, or a child free couple has someone who comes in to clean their apartment once a week?

Or maybe the family with three children and two working parents who has a child minder in the afternoon when the kids don't have school? Are you even aware that if the child is in state school they only do half the day, and the rest of the day there is no real affordable alternative but a child minder at home.

Or are we talking about the retiree that has decided that there are more fun things to do with life than mop and dust and who has some disposable income to spend on it.

In my opinion, coming from a socialist family and country, I don't see a problem with it as long as there is mutual respect.

The employer also takes a calculated risk letting someone into their home, caring for their children unsupervised. Here in Argentina sometimes it is a necessity, not simply a privileged right.
 
When I started this thread, I was doing it tongue in cheek vein because you have to have a sense of humor to live in this town.
Just for the record I am not filthy rich nor do I have hired help. And because I love living here, doesn't mean I can't point out some
glaring issues that could make things better.
 
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