Abortion to become legal.....

There are men who don't believe they have any responsibilities. If they did, there wouldn't be women going to court for child support.

You also assume that all men want to participate as fathers. If they did, there wouldn't be women raising their children alone.
 
There are men who don't believe they have any responsibilities. If they did, there wouldn't be women going to court for child support.

You also assume that all men want to participate as fathers. If they did, there wouldn't be women raising their children alone.
There are rotten men and women as well .

The issue is that the child is a joint decision legally recognised by law and for this reason It is unjust that a fathers voice is not heard in regards to abortion . Pensador made a very good point about this issue . If the father can afford to bring up a child and can support it legally the law must allow that this child is not denied life . Just because one has the means to extinguish life does not mean that it is judge and jury
 
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This is an interesting question.

One of the arguments I kept hearing was that a woman should not be forced to "pay" for a night of passion where no protection was used.

What about the other way around?

What if a woman gets pregnant and wants to keep the baby... but the man doesn't?

If a woman can choose to abort without interference from the man, should a man be able to legally opt out of fatherhood and not pay child support?

Whether or not this is "moral" or good for society is another debate. But this would seem to even the playing field as far as reproductive rights go.

PS: I don't know how it works in Argentina, but child support is taken very seriously in the US. The courts don't care if you don't want to take responsibility or participate in the child's life. You still have to pay and you can be sent to jail for contempt of court if you don't.
 

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There are rotten men and women as well .

The issue is that the child is a joint decision legally recognised by law and for this reason It is unjust that a fathers voice is not heard in regards to abortion . Pensador made a very good point about this issue . If the father can afford to bring up a child and can support it legally the law must allow that this child is not denied life . Just because one has the means to extinguish life does not mean that it is judge and jury
Do you think it would be fair if a father could say no to an abortion, and then the woman had to spend 9 months pregnant and go through labour just for him?

This is why men do not get a say. The fetus does not grow in their body.
 
Do you think it would be fair if a father could say no to an abortion, and then the woman had to spend 9 months pregnant and go through labour just for him?

This is why men do not get a say. The fetus does not grow in their body.
Yes but you have forgotten the other scenario articulated above by MatameBA. If the woman wants to become a parent and the father does not should he be able to surrender his legal obligations as a parent within a limited time frame thus allowing the mother to make an informed decision on whether to keep the baby as a single mother or terminate the pregnancy? Should he be able to withdraw consent that his body be used for 18 or more years to provide for that child? You would think anybody in favor of abortion would be in favor of legal parental surrender of some sort for the father but mostly, on the rare occasions it is brought up, pro-choicers start echoing the arguments of their pro-life foes (he should have kept it in his pants etc...).

Oddly, in centuries of cruel patriarchy such a law has never been implemented or even debated to my knowledge.
 
Do you think it would be fair if a father could say no to an abortion, and then the woman had to spend 9 months pregnant and go through labour just for him?

This is why men do not get a say. The fetus does not grow in their body.
The baby is their responsibility as by law they must pay child support and it is logical that if they wish to keep the child their voice also must be heard . By your argument because a baby comes from a female body a father have absolutely no rights in deciding if it lives or not ?
 
Do you think it would be fair if a father could say no to an abortion, and then the woman had to spend 9 months pregnant and go through labour just for him?

This is why men do not get a say. The fetus does not grow in their body.
GoIng through labor is not for the father. It's for the child. Nature dictates that women bear children. That's simply the way it is. A fetus is a human life in its early stages. That life has rights. To avoid the inconveniences of pregnancy and childbirth it would be wise to carefully practice birth control or avoid sex.