Alberto: We should return to absolute quarantine

[artisans]

Ahhh, a thread for the conspiracy mini-minded. Much better to focus on these ridiculous assaults on common sense and fantasies of 'government control' than face that daily infections in Buenos Aires CABA have exploded to 800 / 900/ yesterday over 1100 new infections. Solutions? Recommended strategies for getting it under control? Zero, actually less than zero. Just the usual whining from the peanut gallery and their never ending ridiculousness.

 

[Jeremias]

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It gets scarier when you see Berni, the security minister of Axel Kicillof and the Province of Buenos Aires packing heat last night. "Civilian government"? Who is going to stand up to a government whose ministers carry around machine guns ...

John-Wick 4 is out? Or is it El Marginal 4? No, I guess it's El Padrino 4...

 

[Jeremias]

Ahhh, a thread for the conspiracy mini-minded. Much better to focus on these ridiculous assaults on common sense and fantasies of 'government control' than face that daily infections in Buenos Aires CABA have exploded to 800 / 900/ yesterday over 1100 new infections. Solutions? Recommended strategies for getting it under control? Zero, actually less than zero. Just the usual whining from the peanut gallery and their never ending ridiculousness.

Very impressive stats. What about the daily deaths, though? Especially the daily deaths of dudes under 75 years old, still at Zero each day?

"Infections" by a thing that kills no-one healthy and under 75, sure, terrifying stuff.

 

[antipodean]

Ahhh, a thread for the conspiracy mini-minded. Much better to focus on these ridiculous assaults on common sense and fantasies of 'government control' than face that daily infections in Buenos Aires CABA have exploded to 800 / 900/ yesterday over 1100 new infections. Solutions? Recommended strategies for getting it under control? Zero, actually less than zero. Just the usual whining from the peanut gallery and their never ending ridiculousness.

Mmm actually some of us are throwing out solutions of alternative approaches that have been proven to work in other counties and we are not calling for an outright end to social distancing. This is actually the root cause of the dissatisfaction and distrust towards this President / government who politicize this pandemic and are proving to manage it poorly. Argentina lost the opportunity to crush the virus months ago when there were only a handful of cases. Growth in infections is now inevitable. There is still no vaccine in sight so like the rest of the world we must find a way to live with the virus for the time being.

Regarding the daily infections, it is worth noting that:
- Only recently has “widespread” testing started. This suggests that numbers were far higher all along. The more you test, the more you find. This is key to actually controlling the outbreak according to the WHO.
- Intensive care bed occupation has not increased drastically with “more” cases being reported. Also suggesting the point above.
- The mortality rate is going down as more cases come to light.
- They are still primarily happening in clusters in densely crowded vulnerable neighborhoods and nursing homes as a result of earlier neglect. This means more needs to be done to manage these risks
- Most parts of Argentina are now essentially “virus free” or reporting no new cases
- As more science based evidence is available, the WHO recently stated that it is very rare for “asymptomatic” to actually infect others meaning most people who infect others should have at least some symptoms to realize they are coming down with something or are unwell
- As more science based evidence is available, some doctors are suggesting the virus gets less virulent over time which is why Europe appears to be recovering or not facing such serious strain on their health systems anymore
- There is no scientific evidence that running in open spaces without prolonged contact with others in close proximity can infect others, in fact most doctors around the world consider it a low / no risk
- Argentina still has good border controls in place which mitigate the risk of imported cases complicating matters

Hence suggestions that total quarantine is the only option or the best solution right now really rubs people up the wrong way.

 

[artisans]

Want to be an idiot, please, avoid my neighborhood. Since complainers typically do not bear the burden and responsibility of leadership, conjecture away, Martians landing on San Telmo, whatever.

Paul Krugman writes, and could as easily apply to people in this thread. Fail the Marshmallow Test: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/09/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

While dreaming up 'other ways to do things that fit your lifestyle or hopes of one, reflect on this information from Wikipedia's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Argentina
The last 5 days of June! When they had hoped for a peak that didn't come.

5 June: On this day, 95 recoveries and 24 new deaths were confirmed, making the number of total of recoveries rise to 6,075 and the number of deaths to 632. Also, 840 new confirmed cases were confirmed, bringing the total number of confirmed cases up to 21,024.[155]
6 June: In the morning, the Ministry of Health confirmed a total of 92 new recoveries. In the night report, 16 deaths and 983 new cases were confirmed, bringing the total number of deaths to 648 and confirmed cases to 22,007.[156]
7 June: The number of confirmed cases rose to a total of 22,781 after 774 new cases were reported. 16 new deaths were also reported, bringing the number of deaths to 664.[157]
8 June: The Ministry of Health announced that 826 new cases were confirmed in the last 24 hours, bringing the number of total confirmed cases to 23,607. 29 new deaths were reported, making the number of deaths rise to 693, and also 396 patients were discharged, bringing the total number of recoveries to 7,292.[158]
9 June: 1,141 new cases and 24 new deaths were reported, bringing the total number of cases to 24,748 and the number of deaths to 717.[159] The Government of the Province of Formosa reported the first case of COVID-19 in its province, leaving the province of Catamarca as the only province that did not report any cases yet.[160]

 

[mc kenna]

Ahhh, a thread for the conspiracy mini-minded. Much better to focus on these ridiculous assaults on common sense and fantasies of 'government control' than face that daily infections in Buenos Aires CABA have exploded to 800 / 900/ yesterday over 1100 new infections. Solutions? Recommended strategies for getting it under control? Zero, actually less than zero. Just the usual whining from the peanut gallery and their never ending ridiculousness.

The gov is not interested in listening to possible solutions unless it comes from their people, there are municipalities in the interior asking and begging to resume their productive lives and go back to work even when they offer to keep the ''at risk groups'' out of the loop of exposure.

 

[antipodean]

@artisans - could you compliment that chronograph with the amount of tests done around this time? I am sure you also realize that on average the stats reflect people who were infected many days or even weeks before they are recorded as a number and that Argentina is doing significantly less tests than most countries in the region or most developed countries abroad.

It is not about fitting a lifestyle. If you recall back in March we were told our peak would arrive in April. Then it was May. Then it was June. Then it was “I don’t know when it will arrive”. Meanwhile the world is full of countries who suffered the outbreak for a similar amount of time but are in much better conditions today because of how they managed and adapted throughout the crisis. Argentina is certainly not the worst example in terms of lives lost but that is no excuse for not insisting that it should be a better example than it is. Instead when we ask to adapt our approach and be a little more surgical and effective about it, we get told to shut up and stay home. We don’t spend and don’t really work so everyone gets poorer by the day. Most of us do actually comply. And for what? More infections anyway?

(PS - 37 new cases just reported in the Villa Barrio San Jorge in PBA which has a “strict“ quarantine and no running. Notice a pattern?)

 

[Ceviche]

Going for a run and getting some vitamin D should be encouraged - it's called looking after your health and one of the most important factors to fighting a virus like this.

Vitamin D3 in specific should be encouraged, if I may chip in my 2 cents.

 

[Jeremias]

Want to be an idiot, please, avoid my neighborhood. Since complainers typically do not bear the burden and responsibility of leadership, conjecture away, Martians landing on San Telmo, whatever.


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complainers typically do not bear the burden and responsibility of leadership, : are you saying we are "tweeting and not governing"?

Anyway, mull on this: non-complainers typically are fully-paid by the State. Am I right in presuming that you have a State, public job? So, sure, the quarantine is a nice joke for you, you get paid to stay at home. But us working in the Private field, not so easy... no State money, no food bag...

Also, you tried to disprove me with your chart, but actually your chart proves my point: nobody under 70 is at serious risk with this mild-to-severe coronavirus.

Stats are clear, if you are under 70, 75 and not obese or already dying from something else, then you run no real risk, almost. Wear a mask, and that's enough.

Also, could you please publish the stats of the deaths by the flu or common cold, last year and this year? I mean, it's clear most of those deaths (in your chart) have to be just the normal deaths from the flu. Or, do you have the flu charts to show us, to see what's going on?

 

[Jeremias]

@artisans - so everyone gets poorer by the day.

Nope. State workers get their full salaries. Thanks for your concern, but they are doing fine at home, watching TV and getting fully paid. And, mucho posting online about "stay ay home!".

I'm still to find a hyper pro-quarantine dude who's not happily getting his full pay!