katzp339 said:
I have no intention of defending everything the government does--in fact, I wouldn't even characterize myself as pro-government. What I do maintain is that Argentina has achieved remarkable successes in the past 8 years.
No it hasnt....
*we have the same infrastructure we had in the 90s
*we citizens still do not have the possiblity of get credits for, say, buy our own home....
*Inflation is actually extremaly worse than in the 90´s....a very small portion of the population actually dont mind...ppl working on areas with very strong (and only if they are friends with the gvnmt) unions get 30% raise yearly and also ppl working on government agencies in any level (the other day run into an old friend from college and she told me she just landed a job in the Anses.....im set for life she told me..when i asked her how much she was getting paid she refused to tell me out of shame..of course i didnt insist..she´s actually a nice gal....)
i work legally in the computer industry and my raise (and that of everyone or most everyone in thsi industry as well) was somewhere between 3 and 6 % yearly.........of course our salary, thanks to inflation, now adays is worth crap......and of course, i would believe this would go without saying, but the POOR ppl in this country...inflation kills them...
*Corruption is way worse than in the 90´s (if you asked me this question 10 years ago i would´ve said menem was the most corrupted president in our history and would´ve thought we would never have any president as corrupted in the future......of course i was deadly wrong :S
*Villas have increased exponencially compared to the 90´s......as you mentioned, of course, there´s much more ppls coming from bordering countries...there´s no such thing as border control and plus they come here and instantly they have money on their pockets and free health and education....but also villa´s population has increased because many locals from provicnes (specially from the north) had no choice but to move out of their lands and their only choice in the cities was the villa !! another situation waaay worse than in the 90´s (local econmies in the provincies is pretty much dead...there´s no such thing as the notion of working legally in a business or company..you either work for the governent or you work under the table a shitty job....or, of course....you dont work at all !! :S ...this happens in many many provincies, specially in norhthern ones..same provincies where incidently kirchnerismo won but 70 to 80 %....i guess clientism is the only thriving industry in these areas (well, actually all through the country)
*there´s more ppl than in the 90´s that still does not have access to electricity and potable water or sewers.......
*during this decade....Congress seized to exist, it wasnt so in the 90´s
*also INDED seized to exist...before this decade, this agency had excellent reputation....absolutaly no one, on any party or ideology would even consider refuting INDEC´s numbers..of course, it was an indepente agency and would alwasy show the true figures, regardless who was president.
* the existance of 6,7,8 ..needless to explain the obsenity is this K propaganda agency being paid with everyone´s money :S ...same with futbol para todos, aeorilineas argentinas on so many others.
* lack of justice, specially towards corrupted polititians...well, in this regard is the same as the 90´s.....nestor´s case on not being able to justify all his millions...not guilty......skanska overprices corruption case....no one is guilty..the case was just closed....menem and the weapons traffiking.....not guilty .....money being brought from venezuela....no one saw anything.........jaime....with yaghts and ferraris and millions (like every other kirchnerista 1st level politician)....case on standy ....untill the year 2087 :S
im tired of typing.....anyways, i know your angle means well and you are being constructive and positive, but pls keep in mind that statements like "Argentina has achieved remarkable successes in the past 8 years" are an insult to millions of argentinians who are having a very rought time, because of these past 8 years (also money before this decade, but the past 8 years did not help either)
katzp339 said:
Rather than predicting doom, let's wait for it to happen. Then--assuming it's worse than the slowdown in U.S. media darlings like Brazil and Chile--the many strident naysayers of this forum can all say "I told you so." Until this occurs, you should recognize that you're joining a long list of people who've been prematurely foretelling disaster for more than eight years--and that's just a historical fact.
again, the oh so wonderfull argentina you see does not exist, not even close....doom has already gotten here, prediction of passed events is not really prediction at all......already knowing what happend these past 8 years, ppl are just assuming the worse in the future...after all, they promised on their campaign that they would deepen the model..so, expecting and preparing for the worse does not sound so crazy but rather realistic !
