Another crisis 1999-2002

[nicoenarg]

Is this a joke? Are you being sarcastic?

No, I'm afraid he's being serious but I don't know if you've ever heard this before "lawyers should not concern themselves with the economy"?

 

[Davidglen77]

Because the is a LACK of migration policy Argentina is flooded with (illegal) immigrants from mainly Bolivia, Paraguay and Perú.

There is NO SUCH THING as an illegal immigrant in Argentina. If you don't have official immigration status granted by migraciones, you have "irregular" immigration status which is NOT illegal, here there are no immigration prisons, and you can't be deported for being here without papers from migraciones. No matter what country you are from. Furthermore if you come from any country that is part of MERCOSUR, the only thing you need to get regular immigration status is official proof of identity from your home country and you are granted residency automatically for 2 years, which is indefinitely renewable or you can become permanent resident after 3 years. If you come from a non-MERCOSUR country, you have other requirements to get residency, but even then, if you have your foot on Argentine soil you can apply for citizenship even though you never had official residency. This is one of the benefits (of course if you want to live here) to being in Argentina. Read the constitution and / or código civil, it's all in there.

 

[El chabon]

There is NO SUCH THING as an illegal immigrant in Argentina. If you don't have official immigration status granted by migraciones, you have "irregular" immigration status which is NOT illegal, here there are no immigration prisons, and you can't be deported for being here without papers from migraciones. No matter what country you are from. Furthermore if you come from any country that is part of MERCOSUR, the only thing you need to get regular immigration status is official proof of identity from your home country and you are granted residency automatically for 2 years, which is indefinitely renewable or you can become permanent resident after 3 years. If you come from a non-MERCOSUR country, you have other requirements to get residency, but even then, if you have your foot on Argentine soil you can apply for citizenship even though you never had official residency. This is one of the benefits (of course if you want to live here) to being in Argentina. Read the constitution and / or código civil, it's all in there.

Not legal = illegal.

 

[notebook.fix]

The problem as I see it is that neither the Government or the monopolist corporations should be allowed to meddle in a country's free market system.

Instead of implementing policies that complement common sense free market competition, everything gets polarized & people are conned into believing that it's one choice or the other, K/peronism or Big Bad Capitalism.

Peronists know too well how how to market short term populist idealism.... 'Capitalizing' every time they build a new school, hospital or public works building they place their K/peronism logo on it as if it was gift from the Government....& so slowly they brainwash the public with the money they steal from the workers & the entrepreneurs.

The YPF debacle for example is a Menem / Kirchner partnership mess.

Instead of taking back the 25% from the Aussie group they took Repsol's share...why? Repsol was allowed to steal maintenance money by the Ks until the panic for the cash. Now instead of Repsol owing Argentina, it's the tax payer who gets saddled with another 10 billion dollar debt.

Menem & the K's are the two faces of the same mafia group.

heyba, interesting, even i partially disagree.
Let s talk about facts. When the pension system become private, the argument was that politicians used that money for the cash flow of the country. You know what happend? The private pension companies lend the same money to the state for the cash flow. After 10 years the internal debt grew 100 percent. Why to pay interest for the same money can be used for free?

There is a difference. If the companies belong to the state, then the state has income and it doesn t need to take debts that later caannot be paid.

You mention to loot, a country is not a company or a simple loan taker whom you can foreclosure his house. People can riot, politicians can change and countries have armies.

Argentina is out of the internation financial system.

So, argentina can spend only what argentina exports. Isn t it real austerity?????

 

[El chabon]

Now back on topic, where do you see the people moving if the economy crashes similar to 99-2003?

Europe = Can't see many people begin to able to move there, people who have lived there before or have family there will probally move there. Young adults who have some cash and EU-pasport try to move there. Most Argentines with foreign partner/husband move there.
USA = People without EU pasport have to go through immigrations and will easily be denied, Argentines with American pasports move to the USA, some Argie families will be able to absorb family members coming over
Latin America: I expect that many professionals will either move to Brasil, Chile, Uruguay, Colombia, Mexico or Perú.
Australia/NZ/Canada: Some maybe on work-visa/study visa, etc, but very low numbers
Rest of the world: Prolly almost 0

Can't see many people who have the ability to move, especially not in the same numbers as in the last crisis.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Because the is a LACK of migration policy Argentina is flooded with (illegal) immigrants from mainly Bolivia, Paraguay and Perú.

And mainly because there is a migration policy in Europe there wont be a new flow or Argentines towards Europe, tanking economy doesn't help neither offcourse, dual-citizen will also miss out

There is a clear immigration policy. Immigration from those countries you mentioned is welcome and that´s why deportation is forbidden by law. They can get a DNI just evidencing they don´t have criminal records and that they are citizens of those countries.

Regards

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Not legal = illegal.

[FONT=&quot]“[el extranjero] sin documentación administrativa idónea que acredite su situación migratoria, no es un extranjero ilegal, sino irregular (al que se le reconocen los mismos derechos que al extranjero regular, salvo la posibilidad de trabajo [en blanco] y alojamiento oneroso, arts. 53 y 55 ley 25.871) y esta distinta manera de calificar situaciones jurídicas no es un mero capricho semántico. La regularidad o irregularidad migratoria tiene que ver con el cumplimiento o incumplimiento del régimen administrativo vigente en la materia (ley 25.871 y decreto reglamentario 616/2010). La legalidad o ilegalidad se refiere a actos (nunca a personas: “ningún ser humano es ilegal”) que contravienen disposiciones de naturaleza penal no administrativa.-”[FONT=&quot][1][/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][1][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&quot] CNACCF de[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Paraná[/FONT][FONT=&quot], in re [/FONT][FONT=&quot]“incidente de hábeas corpus deducido por Dai Jianqing, Lin Xuehuei, Xie Chenguang y Zhuang Bisheng ―relacionado con los autos [/FONT][FONT=&quot]N°32/11 caratulados: Dirección Nacional de Migraciones s/retención de personas de nacionalidad china―[/FONT][FONT=&quot]”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]sentencia del 11 de junio de 2011[/FONT][FONT=&quot], [/FONT][FONT=&quot]registro: 2011-TºI-Fº367, considerando III.b.[/FONT]

 

[El chabon]

There is a clear immigration policy. Immigration from those countries you mentioned is welcome and that´s why deportation is forbidden by law. They can get a DNI just evidencing they don´t have criminal records and that they are citizens of those countries.

Regards

I am sure the Argentine taxpayers are happy with the increase in narco's, puta's, white slavery, faloperos, higher cost for health care, education, chorros, insecurity and rise in villa's

Cristina on the other hand has added probally another 1 milion people who vote for her so she must be happy. Probally another 300.000 by 2015

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Now back on topic, where do you see the people moving if the economy crashes similar to 99-2003?

Europe = Can't see many people begin to able to move there, people who have lived there before or have family there will probally move there. Young adults who have some cash and EU-pasport try to move there. Most Argentines with foreign partner/husband move there.
USA = People without EU pasport have to go through immigrations and will easily be denied, Argentines with American pasports move to the USA, some Argie families will be able to absorb family members coming over
Latin America: I expect that many professionals will either move to Brasil, Chile, Uruguay, Colombia, Mexico or Perú.
Australia/NZ/Canada: Some maybe on work-visa/study visa, etc, but very low numbers
Rest of the world: Prolly almost 0

Can't see many people who have the ability to move, especially not in the same numbers as in the last crisis.

Where is the crisis you mentioned?
Grecia? Spain? US?

 

[El chabon]

Where is the crisis you mentioned?
Grecia? Spain? US?

Argentina not, there everything is going fine, especially on the social front