Buenos Aires Needs A Red Light Zone

[khairyexpat]

Hey, I was gonna post that!

I second your proposal.

 

[Jaredberryman]

I have shown you evidence to the contrary, that the deliberations of Canada's supreme court led to the informed conclusion that the systematic criminalisation of prostitution was more harmful to sex workers than the contrary. This is a respected, informed and secular institution, not some back alley liberal "think tank". If you can show me your sources for the "statistical fact" that sex workers are mostly forced into it, and the source is credible, IE not some thinly veiled religious group pushing their religious agenda, then I would consider your opinion.

However, I still won't be convinced that criminalising the industry is a solution. There needs to be a specialist arm of law enforcement designed to address the issue of human trafficking, track down and convict the traffickers. They are the criminals, not the exploited sex workers. Their should be social workers who specially address the victims of human trafficking and give them the support they need to get out of the situation, and ensure them that they are the VICTIMS of a crime, NOT the perpetrators of a crime.

What you are proposing is criminalising the victims. FAIL! The criminals are the human traffickers. You should clearly make the distinction.

It's an extension of this ever-prevalent and saddening culture of blaming victims of a crime. "Oh, well she shouldn't have dressed so provocatively when she got raped". FAIL! People can dress however they like, that is their human right. The criminal is the rapist.

I miscommunicated, so apologies there. I do not think the victims should be criminalized, but the users, the pimps, etc. There is no way to know if a prostitute was tricked or forced into it, and once they are, not many ways out. The issue here is that I do not actually think in practicality that prostitution can be regulated, so I don't think it should be permitted in the sense that users (or pimps, brothels, etc) should be convicted, fined, jailed, etc, but not the workers themselves. And I don't think that brothels should be allowed to be registered as a business entity and allowed to practice (I'm sure you would strongly disagree with that one). You can see the link I posted from the English detective above somewhere in the thread that is very informative. Unfortunately, I do not have the doctoral thesis that I read on hand, but the statistics in Argentina I read were truly alarming and frightening. Something has to change.

 

[Jaredberryman]

If somebody chooses to work in the sex industry, you may find it immoral. I find it immoral to tell them what they can and cannot do with their own bodies.

I do not find it immoral to tell people what they can and cannot do with their bodies. There are limits to what we can and cannot do with our bodies. To me, telling someone that they should not have sex with a child is not immoral. I'm hoping you would agree with me on this one.

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

Actually, I don't believe in criminalizing the women, because there is no way to prove that they were not forced into prostitution or tricked into it. I believe we should criminalize the users, pimps, and traffickers. But, I still disagree that this is something that can be controlled.

You are absolutely right my religion factors into this one. If I did not believe in God, then I would not believe that every human being has intrinsic value and would not care about this one. I suppose that there are some issues that hit closer to home for me than others, though.

My argument was not that we should legalize slavery. I was making the point that we do, in fact, make laws because things are immoral. We make laws against immoral things because they are wrong, precisely because they are immoral. We make laws against murder, slavery, etc., because they are horrifyingly wrong. I think if you think about it, you'll come to agree.

How incredibly arrogant. "If you think about it you'll come to agree"....arrogant, but extremely illuminating. An allegory for Christian Right indeed.

I define morality based on how my actions or beliefs damage or disadvantage other people. Therefore, I support laws which accept real world situations and look to implement protection for victims.

 

[Jaredberryman]

This picture you painted has no reality what so ever.

If she doesn't get respect, she will kick his ass no matter who it is. She will call the police, and they will come to handcuff him on the spot.
Respect, let alone allowing her body.

The majority of women in this country who are in the sex industry were taken from other countries and are sex slaves. They will do no such things, as their masters will beat them if they did something like that to a client. It's you who don't know what the reality is and are disconnected.

 

[sleslie23]

My argument was not that we should legalize slavery. I was making the point that we do, in fact, make laws because things are immoral. We make laws against immoral things because they are wrong, precisely because they are immoral. We make laws against murder, slavery, etc., because they are horrifyingly wrong. I think if you think about it, you'll come to agree.

Yes, and Argentina has laws against murder, slavery, and human trafficking. Regarding prostitution, MANY countries and their citizens do not share your puritanic morality. Like many Americans, you seem to consider having sex to be the moral equivalent of murder and slavery. Fortunately, that is not an attitude that most of the world maintains.

 

[Jaredberryman]

How incredibly arrogant. "If you think about it you'll come to agree"....arrogant, but extremely illuminating. An allegory for Christian Right indeed.

I define morality based on how my actions or beliefs damage or disadvantage other people. Therefore, I support laws which accept real world situations and look to implement protection for victims.

I do not support the Christian Right and do not appreciate being thrown into a box and categorized. Your statement you just made sounds like you agree with me that we make laws against morality. I am not sure how that is arrogant.

 

[Jaredberryman]

Yes, and Argentina has laws against murder, slavery, and human trafficking. Regarding prostitution, MANY countries and their citizens do not share your puritanic morality. Like many Americans, you seem to consider having sex to be the moral equivalent of murder and slavery. Fortunately, that is not an attitude that most of the world maintains.

I do not consider sex immoral. Neither did the Puritans.

 

[sleslie23]

I do not consider sex immoral. Neither did the Puritans.

As long as it's between a married man and woman, though right?

 

[Dublin2BuenosAires]

I do not support the Christian Right and do not appreciate being thrown into a box and categorized. Your statement you just made sounds like you agree with me that we make laws against morality. I am not sure how that is arrogant.

Your views parallel those of the christian right on this issue. If I recall you also support creationism being taught in schools, am I wrong?

I don't agree with you, lets clear that up right now.