Christina Kirchner

Dougie

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Lawfare does happen (impeachment of Lugo in Paraguay), but now every corrupt politician across Latin America claims they are a victim of it. For example, in Peru, it's the left that control the courts more at the moment and the center right wing politicians being charged who are crying lawfare. It's not. They are corrupt.
 

Renzi

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As is often the case in organized crime investigations, they take time and luck to actually catch the suspected bad guys - even more so when the bad guy wields the power of the state and enjoys various privileges and immunities beyond the average citizen. Simply having no conviction says little until one has their day in court or the prosecution gets lucky and makes a solid find.

The fact she did not commit a crime (nothing to do with "evidence") in one of the many cases she faces says even less.

The irony is that CFK fans will readily judge Macri for being corrupt and blame his one-term administration in the last two decades for every ill on earth and throw similar charges against him while overlooking her vast fortune far in excess of the public salaries earned in her working career, political failures, and own part to play in the infamous "debt" (when just like CFK he has not been convicted but, unlike CFK, at least he does not hide behind immunity of public office after clearly falling out with the vast majority of voters) If Argentina is ever going to change, so must its leaders.

Personally, the only "regime changes" I am concerned about are those that take countries down the path of Venezuela or Nicaragua where the political elites, their business friends, and freeloading parasites use poverty, ignorance and oppression as weapons so they can continue their plunder without the threat of being voted out of office at the next "democratic" election. Whereas everywhere else on the continent, we don't need a conspiracy theory to tell us that life has actually been getting better for millions of people since the days of operation condor and seen the creation of the middle classes, not their destruction or erosion.
Where on the continent is life getting better? There were modest improvements for a brief period in the last decade, but overall Latin America remains the most economically unequal region on Earth. Even before the pandemic, it was projected for zero or negative growth even with right-wing governments in charge of the largest countries (except for ARG, obviously). After the pandemic, according to ECLAC, it's reaching record poverty, that is there were 22M more people living in poverty than the previous year.
 

Dougie

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Where on the continent is life getting better? There were modest improvements for a brief period in the last decade, but overall Latin America remains the most economically unequal region on Earth. Even before the pandemic, it was projected for zero or negative growth even with right-wing governments in charge of the largest countries (except for ARG, obviously). After the pandemic, according to ECLAC, it's reaching record poverty, that is there were 22M more people living in poverty than the previous year.

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Irelander

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Last week former French president Nicolas Sarkozy was convicted for breaching the legal spending limit for his re-election campaign by 10%. He has one more appeal, and if it fails he'll most likely escape jail but have to wear an electronic ankle tag for a year or two.

The same week, an investigation by 'Ámbito Financiero' revealed the source of 25 million dollars of the 35 million Mauricio Macri's brother, Gianfranco, laundered using his brother's 2017 'blanqueo' law: an undeclared trust fund in the tax haven of Liechtenstein. In order to get round the anti-corruption provisions of the Macri government's own law (preventing parents or offspring of a public official from using the 'blanqueo' law), the Macri family put little Gianfranco down as an executor, and laundered the money through him.

Turn on the TV and on 'La Nacion+', journalist Alfredo Leuco is talking - as he has been for the last decade - about "blister packs" of $100 bills that some of his 'sources' have told him exist and can be traced to Christina Kirchner. His sombre-faced colleagues nod in resigned acceptance. No mention of course of the Ámbito Financiero revelations: that's just not news.

What strikes me from my 16 years in this country is Argentine media's extraordinary attachment to corruption: they simply can't live without it. But it's not corruption in the normal sense of the word: here it means "things that I like to think are done by people I don't like". Apply that definition to what you see in the 'news', and it all begins to make sense ...
 

Bajo_cero2

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As is often the case in organized crime investigations, they take time and luck to actually catch the suspected bad guys - even more so when the bad guy wields the power of the state and enjoys various privileges and immunities beyond the average citizen. Simply having no conviction says little until one has their day in court or the prosecution gets lucky and makes a solid find.

The fact she did not commit a crime (nothing to do with "evidence") in one of the many cases she faces says even less.

The irony is that CFK fans will readily judge Macri for being corrupt and blame his one-term administration in the last two decades for every ill on earth and throw similar charges against him while overlooking her vast fortune far in excess of the public salaries earned in her working career, political failures, and own part to play in the infamous "debt" (when just like CFK he has not been convicted but, unlike CFK, at least he does not hide behind immunity of public office after clearly falling out with the vast majority of voters) If Argentina is ever going to change, so must its leaders.

Personally, the only "regime changes" I am concerned about are those that take countries down the path of Venezuela or Nicaragua where the political elites, their business friends, and freeloading parasites use poverty, ignorance and oppression as weapons so they can continue their plunder without the threat of being voted out of office at the next "democratic" election. Whereas everywhere else on the continent, we don't need a conspiracy theory to tell us that life has actually been getting better for millions of people since the days of operation condor and seen the creation of the middle classes, not their destruction or erosion.
Macri hides behind the judges he appointed.
The difference is he was condemned by contraband and Menem’s Supreme Court saved him bribery in between. And this is something I know from a first hand source.
I thought it is only BajoZero who believes that somebody can borrow 50 billion dollars and steal them without leaving any trace.
Skimming 2% on top is presumably OK? Oh, there's no evidence.
As is often the case in organized crime investigations, they take time and luck to actually catch the suspected bad guys - even more so when the bad guy wields the power of the state and enjoys various privileges and immunities beyond the average citizen. Simply having no conviction says little until one has their day in court or the prosecution gets lucky and makes a solid find.

The fact she did not commit a crime (nothing to do with "evidence") in one of the many cases she faces says even less.

The irony is that CFK fans will readily judge Macri for being corrupt and blame his one-term administration in the last two decades for every ill on earth and throw similar charges against him while overlooking her vast fortune far in excess of the public salaries earned in her working career, political failures, and own part to play in the infamous "debt" (when just like CFK he has not been convicted but, unlike CFK, at least he does not hide behind immunity of public office after clearly falling out with the vast majority of voters) If Argentina is ever going to change, so must its leaders.

Personally, the only "regime changes" I am concerned about are those that take countries down the path of Venezuela or Nicaragua where the political elites, their business friends, and freeloading parasites use poverty, ignorance and oppression as weapons so they can continue their plunder without the threat of being voted out of office at the next "democratic" election. Whereas everywhere else on the continent, we don't need a conspiracy theory to tell us that life has actually been getting better for millions of people since the days of operation condor and seen the creation of the middle classes, not their destruction or erosion.
Macri hides behind the judges he appointed.
The difference is he was condemned by contraband by impartial judges and Menem’s Supreme Court saved him bribery in between:
https://www.google.com.ar/amp/s/www.minutouno.com/politica/corte-suprema/murio-nazareno-el-ex-titular-la-corte-menemista-que-macri-una-condena-contrabando-n5068511
He charged to build the sewers in Moron that he never did:
If you have any doubt, he can explains to you how he made his fortune defrauding the treasury
Vicentin defrauding is a good example on how he gets impunity: people starts to die.
Not to mention that he himself openly maintains that to make money you have to evade taxes.
It is like having Pablo Escobar as a President.
 

Dougie

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Last week former French president Nicolas Sarkozy was convicted for breaching the legal spending limit for his re-election campaign by 10%. He has one more appeal, and if it fails he'll most likely escape jail but have to wear an electronic ankle tag for a year or two.

The same week, an investigation by 'Ámbito Financiero' revealed the source of 25 million dollars of the 35 million Mauricio Macri's brother, Gianfranco, laundered using his brother's 2017 'blanqueo' law: an undeclared trust fund in the tax haven of Liechtenstein. In order to get round the anti-corruption provisions of the Macri government's own law (preventing parents or offspring of a public official from using the 'blanqueo' law), the Macri family put little Gianfranco down as an executor, and laundered the money through him.

Turn on the TV and on 'La Nacion+', journalist Alfredo Leuco is talking - as he has been for the last decade - about "blister packs" of $100 bills that some of his 'sources' have told him exist and can be traced to Christina Kirchner. His sombre-faced colleagues nod in resigned acceptance. No mention of course of the Ámbito Financiero revelations: that's just not news.

What strikes me from my 16 years in this country is Argentine media's extraordinary attachment to corruption: they simply can't live without it. But it's not corruption in the normal sense of the word: here it means "things that I like to think are done by people I don't like". Apply that definition to what you see in the 'news', and it all begins to make sense ...
CFK truthers sound like Trumpers with all their fake news conspiracy theories.
 

Alpinista

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Everyone is totally free to get the news from "alternative" sources ("you need to go beyond the mainstream media... "), and can convert facts into opinions and vice versa.

As far as I am concerned: this lawfare theory - the idea that some dark forces (CIA, jews, Bilderberger... ?) are orchestrating a legal war against Kirchner and all the other corrupt governments here in South America - is right up there with the flat earthers, the creationists, the CIA-9/11 plotters and the Bill Gates chip vaccine program.
 

lunar

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... he was condemned by contraband ... saved him bribery in between ...
I don't get it, sorry. What about stealing 50 billion dollars? Not an issue anymore, right? Are we talking about some "bribery in between" now?
Vicentin defrauding is a good example...
Would it be the same company that Alberto tried to nationalize recently?
It is like having Pablo Escobar as a President.
Interesting. Is he a drug lord as well?
 
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antipodean

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“Lawfare” (eg going after political opponents for alleged transgressions) is also rife in Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Russia, Turkey, China, Belarus, Iran, Ethiopia, Cuba and other beacons of ... soberanía? Hardly an invention of the CIA or the property of the “right” or the “left” (which in 2021 are paradigms that look nothing like they did in 1971 anywhere in the world). Coincidentally populism and authoritarianism is also rife in these countries where hard questions or critiques of the ruling powers are all met with one “simple” answer: “It’s a conspiracy”.
 

Dougie

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Macri hides behind the judges he appointed.
The difference is he was condemned by contraband and Menem’s Supreme Court saved him bribery in between. And this is something I know from a first hand source.


Macri hides behind the judges he appointed.
The difference is he was condemned by contraband by impartial judges and Menem’s Supreme Court saved him bribery in between:
https://www.google.com.ar/amp/s/www.minutouno.com/politica/corte-suprema/murio-nazareno-el-ex-titular-la-corte-menemista-que-macri-una-condena-contrabando-n5068511
He charged to build the sewers in Moron that he never did:
If you have any doubt, he can explains to you how he made his fortune defrauding the treasury
Vicentin defrauding is a good example on how he gets impunity: people starts to die.
Not to mention that he himself openly maintains that to make money you have to evade taxes.
It is like having Pablo Escobar as a President.


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