Christina Kirchners speech is a inspiration

[AlexfromLA]

I agree that the Ks are not politicians

What they are is small-town thugs - masters at corruption, intimidation, and back-room deals. They are incapable of thinking beyond the next week, or the next kickback.

umm. Isn't that the same thing ? It is in the US. Actually if that's what they are, I would say they are GREAT politicians. So great that they've managed to stay in power for 8 years.

Politicians are all the exact same in varying degrees. If the Kirchner's stole 1 billion, your next president will either steal 10 billion or 100 million. That's just how things work. That is the definition of a career politician.

But I guess Argentina would be better off electing the wealthiest people in the country to run it because they won't steal or use political influence to help themselves, their companies, their supporters or the highest bidders ? Lets be serious and not naive. Of course they will.

I agree that Christina's presidency has been largely ineffectual and plagued with corruption and political impasse. But I will fight the urge to demonize her under the guise that she is anything but a politician. That is exactly what she is, and she is doing exactly what all your previous politicians have done and will continue to do after she is long gone.

My only hope is whoever is elected after the Kirchners will continue and even enhance the socialist policies they tried to put in place to protect those who have no money or voice to buy political influence.

 

[Lucas]

I don't see anyone saying either of those things. Whether or not it was better back then is not relevant really nor if it's worse somewhere else.

That's what you two don't see. Why keep bringing up 10 years ago? Why keep saying how bad it is somewhere else. We don't live back then & we don't live over there.

We are talking about right here, right now.

Ah! No that's not possible, simple because to rectify all that catastrophe this government did have to adjust the untouchable and privileged sectors in this society and that caused their uproar, discontent and outrage, you can not separate one thing from the other it's is not that simple as to draw a line on the floor and said okay from now on we forget what happened before and we start fresh from now on, you can not do that, extreme measures had to be taken and some sacred cows need to be sacrificed, and they did so.

Now the price they have to pay for doing that is all this hateful verbiage from parts of those affected....well I tell them, put up with it!

Now you understand were all this criticism and outrage come from.

That's what the polls say, although probably you'll pronounce them flawed. But it is useless to argue like this - let's talk next year after the elections.

Yes indeed let's see how your 70% alleged hate-filled crowd will vote.

 

[mini]

Ah! No that's not possible, simple because to rectify all that catastrophe this government did have to adjust the untouchable and privileged sectors in this society and that caused their uproar, discontent and outrage, you can not separate one thing from the other it's is not that simple as to draw a line on the floor and said okay from now on we forget what happened before and we start fresh from now on, you can not do that, extreme measures had to be taken and some sacred cows need to be sacrificed, and they did so.

Now the price they have to pay for doing that is all this hateful verbiage from parts of those affected....well I tell them, put up with it!

Now you understand were all this criticism and outrage come from.

Perhaps, you are correct. But I'm not sure. I admit I don't know much about politics here (or anywhere really. LOL.) All I can comment on is what I see.

When I arrived almost two years ago, I really thought people were just giving her a bad rap (or is it rep?). They were being sexist & spending too much time gossiping & talking about her hair & clothes. I'm actually not sure it is Cristina's fault as much as it is Nestor's. I get the feeling he is the real bad egg in the pudding.

Anyway, what I see now is that life has changed for the worse in less than two years and the fortune of the Ks grows & grows. Why is that? I beg you not to tell me it's the fault of the multinationals trying to destroy Argentina, or whatever that was Cabrera said.......

 

[jazrgz]

Thanks for what you said SaraSara of them and more, as a sample, president Rafael Correa of Ecuador to a reporter (Oliver Stone) when asked about his popularity; but the media in the USA is not treating you very well they aren't written articles in your favor, why is that?... his answer was...

"With all due respect, knowing the U.S. media I would be more worried if they spoke well of me."

...same thing apply here, knowing to who and what the multimedia barons supports.

As they did with their tiger of South America in the 80's - Carlos Menem - their prodigy son on show praised to the world, and the rest is history a dark history it was, which culminated in chaos in 2001.

So, if all what you are saying is your truth according to the media you read and watch then we are on the right track.

I, and many like me in this country as a whole do not want to go back to that past of destruction and fantasy.

Menem belongs to the 90´s and was supported by the Clintons, who misteriously support the kirchners as well. People should not really separate Menem from the Kirchners. They are the same type of cancer to our country, different string perhaps, same disease ! those who dispise menem and praise the kirchners should know that Nestor himself talked wonders about Menem in the 90´s, he received menem with very welcoming open arms and called him the best president in our history ! this is not invented not proven crap Kirchners are used to say all the time, there´s video evidence ! still K´s supporters will not acknowledge this simple fact ! Menem and Kirchners are the same, all they care about is money and power and will say and do anything in order to get it and get it all !

 

[Lucas]

Perhaps, you are correct. But I'm not sure. I admit I don't know much about politics here (or anywhere really. LOL.) All I can comment on is what I see.

When I arrived almost two years ago, I really thought people were just giving her a bad rap (or is it rep?). They were being sexist & spending too much time gossiping & talking about her hair & clothes. I'm actually not sure it is Cristina's fault as much as it is Nestor's. I get the feeling he is the real bad egg in the pudding.

Anyway, what I see now is that life has changed for the worse in less than two years and the fortune of the Ks grows & grows. Why is that? I beg you not to tell me it's the fault of the multinationals trying to destroy Argentina, or whatever that was Cabrera said.......

It's very simple really.....people are starting to have slightly better life conditions, jobs are more secure, unemployment is receding, even if this is light-years behind a first rated country, things are starting to change for the better..

You can see all that by watching the news about this country moderate grow in all aspects of society materially they can afford of little luxuries, the industries in all sectors are recovering their competitiveness and restructuring for growing in the future, car sales are at record levels never reached before, all sectors even the agriculture aspect of it has been growing more than everyone were expecting, now if you compound all this with the adjusting world economies running at the present time, almost everyone is in partially or in a troubled middle crisis and some cases in deep recession you can see why some of these people are incensed for what is going on, for them this country with this government should be by now in the pits, but this is not happening, how could this be possible?.

I know this will be difficult and almost incompressible for you to understand but here some people think this is good way for pushing their ideas and outrage to prevail, for them it does not matter if the country as whole have to suffer a setback of progress as far they have the the pleasure to tell everybody else, I told you this was going to happen, they are happy... unreal and stupid it seems some important and influential people here think in that way, that is why we have a constant wave of boom and burst in our history, pitiful sad, I'm hopping this will be reversed after their mandate ends, whatever the length of it will be.

You see, to be able to archive that it's necessary a constant and steady democratic government in power, opposed to a dictatorial military junta as we used to have, but some people can't see and still not understand that, for them when their monetary interest are at risk the easy way was to knock the doors of the military establishment to protect their elite status...well not anymore....now what they are trying is to use the multimedia muscle to create dissidence and misinformation by doing that they hope to reach the same end which is to continue manipulating behind the curtains the strings of power, and this government is not letting them do that, that is why all their fury is unleashed..

 

[AlexfromLA]

Lol,

And any other politician would be different because ?

Oh yeah, I want names of these politicians who aren't interested in money or power, which is why I am sure they will run for the most powerful political appointment in the country right ? Which is also why they will ask for hundreds of millions in campaign contributions from multi national and national enterprises ( that the multinationals will give them with no thought of renumeration, because they are such great people that care little for money, power or position ) because they don't want money in order to get that power, right ?

Specifically I would like to get the names of the politicians you do support, you know those austere saints who live in lower middle class housing, and drive lower middle class cars and shun wealth and power.

I'll be waiting.....

all they care about is money and power and will say and do anything in order to get it and get it all !

Sometimes I am really baffled by the political naivete I read on here. I mean have the political propagandists really spun that good of a narrative or does peoples hate really blind them that completely that they have to spout these party lines as if the Kirchners are somehow anomalies and whoever they are touting, as the next best thing that will save them from the Kirchners, are somehow really different.

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I guess I am just wondering why people can't just be sincere and say something like " I don't like the Kirchners or their social policies or their economic policies, I think that they have damaged the country and I want to vote for someone in the next election that will better represent my political, social and economic point of view ". I mean I can take this seriously. But when people start to demonize their political opponents it just comes off as propaganda that is being force fed to them by the media.

I would expect a more sophisticated level of political understanding and discourse from Latin Americans. Maybe that is asking too much from a third world country that was either too afraid of or too happy with military dictatorships.

 

[Lucas]

Lol,
I would expect a more sophisticated level of political understanding and discourse from Latin Americans. Maybe that is asking too much from a third world country that was either too afraid of or too happy with military dictatorships.

Hey!!! Where do you think you are living?

You are in the USSA (United States of South America) not in the USA amigou.

Things are deal differently here.

 

[gouchobob]

Hey!!! Where do you think you are living?

You are in the USSA (United States of South America) not in the USA amigou.

Things are deal differently here.

Yes it's obvious, there are a lot of people posting here that the comrades will have to liquidate at some point.

 

[perry]

Yes it's obvious, there are a lot of people posting here that the comrades will have to liquidate at some point.

Is that a threat Goucho? I am sure that you would be first to do the liqiudating if you were in power

 

[gouchobob]

Is that a threat Goucho? I am sure that you would be first to do the liqiudating if you were in power

No it was an attempt at humor and making fun of the loony lefties that post such ridiculous statements in support of the corrupt and incompetent K's.