Corona Virus May Hit Argentina Hard

[perry]

The Chinese built two new hospitals in weeks, hospitals in Italy and Spain are turning away people who are dying because the hospitals don't have any more capacity. Yeah...it's exactly like the common cold.

Please present evidence that there isn't reinfection of the virus and that death rates or equal to that of the common cold.

Low IQ idiots like you that are spreading misinformation that it's just like the common cold are leading to deaths.

Many posters here not just Expat Tree underestimated how grave this virus is . Artisans is one that comes to mind who now regales us many times a day on his cleaning methods . The death rate of this virus if we go by Italy is over 20 times higher than a normal influenza epidemic. Today I read a very sobering article on the deaths reported in a Northern Italian newspaper over 366 in just one day .

El dramático aumento de los obituarios en la zona más golpeada por el coronavirus en Italia

Las páginas del periódico local “L’Eco di Bergamo” reflejan el avance de la epidemia en la provincia más afectada por el Covid-19

www.infobae.com

 

[Weyland]

Many posters here not just Expat Tree underestimated how grave this virus is . Artisans is one that comes to mind who now regales us many times a day on his cleaning methods . The death rate of this virus if we go by Italy is over 20 times higher than a normal influenza epidemic. Today I read a very sobering article on the deaths reported in a Northern Italian newspaper over 366 in just one day .

El dramático aumento de los obituarios en la zona más golpeada por el coronavirus en Italia

Las páginas del periódico local “L’Eco di Bergamo” reflejan el avance de la epidemia en la provincia más afectada por el Covid-19

www.infobae.com

I must admit that you saw the economic crash in Argentina and the coronavirus coming before many on this forum, and you were ridiculed for it. Please keep posting perry.

 

[London2Baires]

Guys, it may be airborne 'in certain conditions', see WHO statements.

WHO considers 'airborne precautions' for medical staff after study shows coronavirus can survive in air

The coronavirus can go airborne, staying suspended in the air depending on factors such as heat and humidity, WHO officials said.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Alby]

This is interesting. It is the English original of the document currently on Pagina12, that is supposedly informing the government's response:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Among many things, it does suggest that the fantastic deaths rates have been exagerrated by the fact that the actual numbers of infected people are grossly understated or undercounted in the official figures, thus elevating the death rates.

However the key finding is sobering and for those who don't want to wade through the whole thing, I copy below:

• Since mortality is much higher for older people, countries with an aging population like Japan will be harder hit on average than younger countries like Nigeria. There are also weather factors, especially humidity and temperature, but it’s still unclear how this will impact transmission and fatality rates.
  
  This is what you can conclude:
  
  • Excluding these, countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).
  • Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%
• Put in another way: Countries that act fast can reduce the number of deaths by a factor of ten. And that’s just counting the fatality rate. Acting fast also drastically reduces the cases, making this even more of a no-brainer.
  
  

 

[steveinbsas]

Guys, it may be airborne 'in certain conditions', see WHO statements.

WHO released this information today???

How long did it take for WHO to call the sperad of Covid -19 a pandemic?

"The name of the game is keep up, not catch up." (a line from Django Unchained, written by Quentin Tarantino):

From this thread on January 28th:

This place is in for a doozy with everyone sharing mate and all these kids (and adults) constantly wet coughing everywhere.

That's what Pensador though as well (at least about the mate), but if the virus is airborne (and not just spread by droplets), and, as Styx also points out in today's video, more people are dying from the virus than recovering...and the only people recovering require intensive hospital treatment, the question remains, where the hell to go...while there is still time to get there...without being infected..and once you're there, what can you do to protect yourself?

PS: Dr John Campbell a nurse with a PhD from GB) has mentioned that the virus may be airborne in many of his youtube videos, some of which I have posted links to in this thread.

I strongly suggest everyone watch (or listen to) the videos he posted this past weekend, and pay close attention to what he said about NOT taking fever reducing medications if you contract the virus, and how they may have contributed to the recent high death rate in Iran.

 

[expat0tree]

Unless you just made this up in your head, please provide any links you´ve read which support this assertion.

Yes this virus will overwhelmed the health services precisely because people panic about it when they shouldn't. mortality rate of COVID-19 is anywhere from 2 to 4 percent, and not at 50% like it was for the bubonic plague or the 100% mortality rate for septicemic plague in untreated victims. The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of about 2.5-3% also very similar to Coronavirus. Third of the world's population got infected and about 100 million people died but mostly due to extremely poor sanitation and malnutrition (blame war). In the case of coronavirus, the poorest would suffer the most (war torn countries, africa, etc) but this kind of death had already happens for other reasons, such as the war in Syria that killed so many innocent women and children and the world did not give a fuck about it. This clearly shows that COVID-19 is a middle class worry, because now it can get an old rich ass at the comfort of their home where they feel most confident in their privilege to best safety.

Now, for a bit of contrast, CDC estimates that this season, from October 1, 2019, through February 29, 2020 the less-sexy influenza has already killed 20,000 – 52,000 people just in the USA alone, in spite of the widely available vaccines. Right, so as long as there is a vaccine for the politicians in fear of incompetency, the death toll ceases to matter, for some reason. Do you really not see the absurdity of the situation?

For stats and reports please do your own homework so that i don't have to go to multiple websites now digging for this info, it's all out there.

 

[sts7049]

we all are going to get the virus sooner or later, sit back and take it in, the body needs to battle the flu like symptoms to become immune to it, which is not any different from the typical common colds we had all experienced. mortality rate of covid-19 is in par with common colds, a bit more infectious and a bit harder on the immunocompromised elderly but overall the same. please leave the chinese people alone, avoiding them is racism. i honstly don't understand why people treat the virus as if it were a plague.

this is not really accurate with a virus. you aren't going to build immunity by getting it. just as with flu, you can get it more than once in your life.

eventually there will be a vaccine, yes. however just as with the flu, vaccines have to adapt in order to immunize people for various strains. the vaccine you get this year may not be 100% suited for next year's season.

so it probably won't ever go away, eventually once medicine catches up we ought to be able to manage it better and have some herd immunity. until that happens though it will be a bit rough.

 

[expat0tree]

this is not really accurate with a virus. you aren't going to build immunity by getting it. just as with flu, you can get it more than once in your life.

eventually there will be a vaccine, yes. however just as with the flu, vaccines have to adapt in order to immunize people for various strains. the vaccine you get this year may not be 100% suited for next year's season.

so it probably won't ever go away, eventually once medicine catches up we ought to be able to manage it better and have some herd immunity. until that happens though it will be a bit rough.

ok so you are not going to build immunity if your immunity is already broken but you would overcome it and next season your body would be a lot better prepared, as long you've taken care of yourself meantime, it's amazing how little is said about health-related personal responsibility these days. different people coping with flu-like viruses differently, some are bed-ridden for two weeks and some take a day or two off with tolerable symptoms. but the emphasis should be on nutrition and preventative measures to counter the systematic weakening of body's immunity instead of heavily relying on the medical establishment to provide the saving grace after overeating, smoking, drinking, stressing, etc. there is a fine line between the effectiveness of modern-day vaccines and the sheer stupidity of people's indulgent lifestyles, which ultimately dictate the outcomes of these very natural and common trains. of course you can argue about old as something nobody is immune against but the elderly are susceptible to all kinds of health complications and not to COVID-19 alone so there is no need to discriminate against other illnesses and issues while shutting down entire economies.

 

[artisans]

This may useful if you're sorting symptoms...

 

[db887]

Paraguay initiated 15 days closure of borders for foreigners not resident in the country.

http://www.migraciones.gov.py/index.php/noticias/paraguay-inicio-el-cierre-temporal-de-fronteras-para-extranjeros-no-residentes-en-el-pais