COVID-19 vaccine development pipeline gears up

[garryl]

There are over million people in Russia and China have received vaccines respectively, neither gov has released the results. Does Argentina want that ?

 

[gracielle]

Registro de emergencia de la vacuna de la firma Pfizer S.R.L. "COMIRNATY"

La ANMAT autorizó bajo la modalidad de registro de emergencia la vacuna contra el virus SARS-CoV-2 de la firma Pfizer S.R.L.

www.argentina.gob.ar

Published 22 December 2020
ANMAT authorized the vaccine against the SARS-CoV-2 virus from the firm Pfizer S.R.L. under the emergency registration modality.

 

[UK Man]

There are over million people in Russia and China have received vaccines respectively, neither gov has released the results. Does Argentina want that ?

I certainly won't be queueing up for it....however I'm sure enough of their blinkered paid supporters will.

 

[Dougie]

Very simple, (1)the trial is not transparent, they do not deliver the complete open results,
first animals, and later 3 stages of human trails, and all the data. Everything is blackbox operation.This time FDA learned the lesson from
FAA, who trusted Boeing's work too much on 737. FDA not only checked the data from 2 US vaccine companies,
they did a of of their own work and they monitored the trail from the beginning.

Do you know the vaccine business in China is a joke ? So many children died (and animals died) from fake or shitt*y
vaccines. Russia is not much better, the fact they lack funding does not make them much better.
Most of the doctors I know in China would not take the vaccine, that's why one Chinese company
bought 100m from BioNTech.

(2)the vaccines by China and Russia is not mRNA. They killed the virus first, then use the dead body, so their vaccine is far far far less effective
than mRNA. 35% effective would be a miracle, vs 95% by 2 US companies. It's much hard to do mRNA, which is modified live
virus.

I am not sure how harmful Russian/Chinese vaccines can be, but the effectiveness is certainly questionable.
Based on their reputation, I'd rather not take it. I am surprised Brazil bought some Chinese ones and Argentina
bought Russian.

If this is the only available one, maybe its OK to take it, but when better ones become available, I would take it again.

I'd much prefer the Pfizer vaccine over the Chinese and Russian vaccines too. I was just wondering if there was any hard evidence that they are potentially harmful and/or ineffective.

If what you say is true, the lack of transparency on their part is concerning.

 

[lunar]

If what you say is true, the lack of transparency on their part is concerning.

On WHO website there is a spreadsheet compiling results of different phases of vaccine development and testing.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/blue-print/20201217-novel-coronavirus_landscape_covid-19.xlsx.zip

The last column contains links to study reports and scientific articles.
From top to bottom: Sinovac, Sinopharm, Sinopharm, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V, Moderna, Pfizer.
Which one do you think is more transparent?

 

[garryl]

On WHO website there is a spreadsheet compiling results of different phases of vaccine development and testing.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/blue-print/20201217-novel-coronavirus_landscape_covid-19.xlsx.zip

The last column contains links to study reports and scientific articles.
From top to bottom: Sinovac, Sinopharm, Sinopharm, AstraZeneca, Sputnik V, Moderna, Pfizer.
Which one do you think is more transparent?

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The first 3 companies: Sinovac, Sinopharm, Sinopharm are garbage Chinese companies from China, no doctors in China trust them. Remember the shitt*y test kits they sold to Spain ? That's what you get when you take an injection from them. They will be appalled by how they are operating if you know their operation process. Basically they have no protocols. It's OK to buy cheaply made things from China, it's another to inject their craps into your body. Sputnik V is no angel either.
I do not agree with many what Trump has said/done. But it was a good move that US got out of WHO. WHO repetitively publishes (about 4-5 times) articles saying Remdesivir is not working or has little effect effectiveness. As a recovered COVID patient, I can tell you it saved my life, and a few of my friends who was treated with the medicine said the same, so did the nurses in the hospital. I do not think WHO is trustworthy, certainly they cant be trusted with the data they got from China. I constantly travel between China and US and know too many people(and ugly things) there.

 

[garryl]

I'd much prefer the Pfizer vaccine over the Chinese and Russian vaccines too. I was just wondering if there was any hard evidence that they are potentially harmful and/or ineffective.

If what you say is true, the lack of transparency on their part is concerning.

No hard evidence.
But I have talked to many people in China, they all said NO to these vaccines.
When you first come to Argentina, things looks good on the surface, you thought "wow, this is not bad". But Argentines would tell you this is
Fked up country, because they know it more. It's the same in China.

 

[garryl]

I certainly won't be queueing up for it....however I'm sure enough of their blinkered paid supporters will.

AR gov is in desperate need to get something.

 

[garryl]

Yes. mRNA vaccines is a relative novelty.

You are wrong. We are living in the era of genetic engineering and recombinant technologies.
Coronavirus spike protein is produced by a harmless foreign delivery vector.
Astrozeneca uses the same approach. The effectiveness of both types of vaccines seems to be comparable.
mRNA vaccines need to be stored at -70C and it is a big logistical problem even in the USA.

Two types are not comparable at all, one is much more effective than other.
mRNA is much harder to do, Chinese and Russians just do not have resources(tech and fund and time and talent) to do it. Two American(German)
companies happen to be working on that for years.

When you can not make Mercedes, you make Yugo and sell to the public and tell people that
they are comparable, they both have 4 wheels and moves.

 

[garryl]

Pfizer will be available soon. Internationally.