Down, down, down (a peso devaluation thread)

[salgueiro]

Bill Ayers a longtime friend of the president, outlined the solution long ago:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=78929

Steve,
Criticizing Obama because of his contemporary association with Ayers is tantamount to condemning the colonists who fought along side of George Washingon as left wing commie terrorists. It is not persuasive. The passage of time has altered our perspective on the matter.

What you should be doing is attacking those commie bastards on the Chicago Chamber of Commerce who elected Ayers as Chicago's citizen of the year in 1997 for outstanding civic duty.

What is it about being Chicago's 1997 CITIZEN OF THE YEAR that disturbs you so much about William Ayers ?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081008100729AAtPcKE
Ayers is a classic example of an American who turned his life completely around. He is a highly respected community leader, and out of the millions of people who could have been chosen, he was Chicago's "Citizen of the Year" in 1997. I would have been proud to know the guy! (Those of you who claim to have "issues" with him are grasping at straws.It's really rather sad to see you acting like children who aren't getting their way.)

 

[jb5]

Phil, my US home is in California, so I see quite a lot of the far left. Remember, there are state taxes, not just federal. California has slapped "millionaires" taxes on all sorts of things. It's a very successful strategy given that it's no problem getting 99% to vote to tax 1%.

IMO the extremists on both sides are equally bad.

But the real problem is that no consensus is ever reached and everything becomes ineffective because of it. Obama's health care plan is a good example of this. By the time a good concept made it through congress, it was an unconstitutional mess that hurt more people than it helped.

I don't lable Obama as socialist or communist, but if you listen closely you will see he has some very socialist thoughts. More government regulation of many things including business.

The creation of businesses is the only thing that can save the US right now, yet the administration's leanings have stopped business investment dead in it's tracks.

And where I wish he'd be more socialist-- where education is concerned-- he's not. He's been cutting the funding for college and grad students at a time when this country desperately needs to produce the highly educated, especially
in STEM.

Most people have a short attention span where politics are concerned. If the status quo is comfortable they keep voting along party lines. The status quo here, however, is so uncomfortable that it's no wonder all hell is breaking loose.

It's simply unbelievable IMO that Obama didn't make tackling the economy, and unemployment in particular, his clear priority from day one. Every key economic advisor he had except Geithner has quit.

So the only lable I want to stick is former president.

 

[Philsword]

Yes...again the fear factor tea party B.S... that Obama is a Communist. He is trying to do his work in the middle.. The only "new taxes" he has asked for are of those that make over $1000000 a year. What a commie !!! That is asking too much of the republican/tea party... which of course, always has the interest of the poor and middle class, close to it's heart.

I agree it's ridiculous. Some people believe if this were the nineties when the GOP was more reasonable that Obama actually could have actually run as a moderate Republican. Even Karl Rove (not exactly an extreme leftist) who was Bush's political ad-visor is warning that the GOP is going to far to the right to be electable. One of my favorites is the Koch brothers who are the big financial backers of the extreme right and tea party who believe that George W. was a closet liberal. Their old man started the John Birch Society because he believed Eisenhower was a communist.

 

[steveinbsas]

Steve,
Criticizing Obama because of his contemporary association with Ayers is tantamount to condemning the colonists who fought along side of George Washingon as left wing commie terrorists. It is not persuasive. The passage of time has altered our perspective on the matter.

Perhaps I didn't need to go back so far.

There are those who don't think the Tea Party types need to be reeducated but should just go straight to hell.

Nice talk for a Congresswoman (I'm sure you would call it "hate" speech if it had been said by a member of the Tea Party):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt6Rkn1cdcQ

Do you think that is sad?

I find it even sadder than the fact that you have to make silly personal comments to make a point.

FYI: I am not crying. I am actually very hopeful (in spite of all of the personal attacks and misrepresentations towards and about those who agree with the "ideals" of the Tea Party).

I think there are two words they will have to get used to in 2012:

Republican landslide.

If you doubt it, just remember 1980.

There will be one difference in 2012: This time the new president will probably have a a majority in the House and the Senate.

 

[salgueiro]

Perhaps I didn't need to go back so far.

Agree. Moreover, guilt by association has been frowned on for a long time.

I find it even sadder than the fact that you have to make silly personal comments to make a point.

Did I make silly personal comments about you? Are you attibuting the text of the linked article to me?

FYI: I am not crying. I am actually very hopeful (in spite of all of the personal attacks and misrepresentations towards and about those who agree with the "ideals" of the Tea Party).

Good for you. Stay strong in your convictions.

 

[steveinbsas]

Did I make silly personal comments about you? Are you attibuting the text of the linked article to me?

I was referring to this:

Steve,...(Those of you who claim to have "issues" with him are grasping at straws.It's really rather sad to see you acting like children who aren't getting their way.)

And in response to this:

Ayers is a classic example of an American who turned his life completely around.

If Ayers had turned his life completely around he would be a member (if not leader) of the Tea Party.

For an example of that kind of transformation just think of Ronald Reagan (once a Democrat).

And consider what Ayers had to say four years after being "elected" as Chicago's citizen of the year in 1997 for outstanding civic duty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/b...moir-sorts-war-protester-talks-life-with.html

 

[Philsword]

Phil, my US home is in California, so I see quite a lot of the far left. Remember, there are state taxes, not just federal. California has slapped "millionaires" taxes on all sorts of things. It's a very successful strategy given that it's no problem getting 99% to vote to tax 1%.

IMO the extremists on both sides are equally bad.

But the real problem is that no consensus is ever reached and everything becomes ineffective because of it. Obama's health care plan is a good example of this. By the time a good concept made it through congress, it was an unconstitutional mess that hurt more people than it helped.

I don't lable Obama as socialist or communist, but if you listen closely you will see he has some very socialist thoughts. More government regulation of many things including business.

The creation of businesses is the only thing that can save the US right now, yet the administration's leanings have stopped business investment dead in it's tracks.

And where I wish he'd be more socialist-- where education is concerned-- he's not. He's been cutting the funding for college and grad students at a time when this country desperately needs to produce the highly educated, especially
in STEM.

Most people have a short attention span where politics are concerned. If the status quo is comfortable they keep voting along party lines. The status quo here, however, is so uncomfortable that it's no wonder all hell is breaking loose.

It's simply unbelievable IMO that Obama didn't make tackling the economy, and unemployment in particular, his clear priority from day one. Every key economic advisor he had except Geithner has quit.

So the only lable I want to stick is former president.

Sorry problems in California will have to wait for another day. Actually the health care reform law is still working it way through the courts, its bound to end up at the supreme court who will decide. Don't see how it hurts more than it helps as it hasn't been implemented yet. Not an ideal piece of legislation but if you think it was due to a lack of consensus who didn't want to agree to something reasonable.

I don't get your reference to stopping investment in its tracks, you are going to have to get more specific.

I see you are a supporter of government spending if it benefits you personally. I think most people are. The problem is that people have demanded these things and have not been willing to pay for them. I don't think the solution is go get rid of all these programs (it's not going to fly anyway with the voters). The best thing to do is reform including cuts in spending and taxes for what people still want. Revenues and spending have to be matched up over time but a constitutional amendment is not the solution in my opinion.

What would you do fix the economy that Obama hasn't? Wouldn't this involve more spending and adding to the deficit? How would you ever get such a program approved by Congress? In fact that's what I think he going to propose soon. If it passes then he will take credit for proposing it and he can blame the GOP if they vote it down, this is all for positioning for 2012.

How much to you think the tea party's emergence has to do with a black face being in the White House? Personally I think quite a bit of this can be put down to this. If Obama was white I don't think the loony right would have anywhere close to influence they do now.

 

[steveinbsas]

How much to you think the tea party's emergence has to do with a black face being in the White House? Personally I think quite a bit of this can be put down to this. If Obama was white I don't think the loony right would have anywhere close to influence they do now.

Apparently you've either forgotten or missed the fact entirely that Bill Clinton was America's first black president.

Oh, that might explain the Republican Revolution (led by Newt) in 1994.

I guess we'll just have to expect this kind of white backlash every time a black man is elected president.

Unless, of course, it's Herman Cain.

 

[Philsword]

Apparently you've either forgotten or missed the fact entirely that Bill Clinton was America's first black president.

Oh, that might explain the Republican Revolution (led by Newt) in 1994.

I guess we'll just have to expect this kind of white backlash every time a black man is elected president.

Unless, of course, it's Herman Cain.

Steve you should quit before you get further behind.

 

[steveinbsas]

Steve you should quit before you get further behind.

Is that your idea of a logical argument or even reasonable advice?

I don't even quality for membership in the Tea Party.

(I'm not an angry middle aged white male...I'm an old white male)

But at least I still have a sense of humor.

At least until the "new left" (aka Congresswoman Walters) sends me straight to hell.