Europe Is Alike Argentina 2001

[trennod]

Besides the out of place comment against a respected university that i understand as a racist comment against argentinians,
It is not what is teach at UBA, it is experience on what happend in this country every time somebody with markets ideas was in power.

You can explain people without medieval insurance in the US your comment about wolves.

I don't agree with the economics that is taught at UBA, it's a common theme amongst UBA economics students that I know, they have a poor understanding of capitalist economic models and economic models around the world. My girlfriend is argentine and I have many argentine friends so I am hardly in to being racist/making racist comments. Please if you don't understand insult words, do not use them.

Free(ish) market models in Argentina have only been tried twice in the last 50 years, once during the dictadura and then by menem. The dictadura is not a good example and Menem was hamstrung by corruption and the convertabilidad. This model has been found out so it's obviously not a good one in the long term. I still stand by the fact that if properly implemented they could work here.

 

[scotttswan]

I don't agree with the economics that is taught at UBA, it's a common theme amongst UBA economics students that I know, they have a poor understanding of capitalist economic models and economic models around the world. My girlfriend is argentine and I have many argentine friends so I am hardly in to being racist/making racist comments. Please if you don't understand insult words, do not use them.

Free(ish) market models in Argentina have only been tried twice in the last 50 years, once during the dictadura and then by menem. The dictadura is not a good example and Menem was hamstrung by corruption and the convertabilidad. This model has been found out so it's obviously not a good one in the long term. I still stand by the fact that if properly implemented they could work here.

With the resources Argentina has, you only need to look at Australia and Canada to see it could work.

google is fun to play with.

Agricultural land (sq. km)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ag_lnd_agri_k2&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false

Agricultural machinery, tractors per 100 sq. km of arable land
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ag_lnd_trac_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

High-technology exports (% of manufactured exports)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=tx_val_tech_mf_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=gb_xpd_rsdv_gd_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Research and development expenditure (% of GDP)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_reg_cost_pc_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Documents to trade (number)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=documents_to_trade_number&fdim_y=direction_of_trade:1&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

 

[scotttswan]

Ease of doing business index (1=most business-friendly regulations)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_bus_ease_xq&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Merchandise exports Agricultural raw materials
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=merchandise_exports&fdim_y=direction_of_trade:1&fdim_y=type_of_trade:1&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

New business density (new registrations per 1,000 people ages 15-64)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_bus_ndns_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Other taxes payable by businesses (% of commercial profits)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_tax_othr_cp_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Procedures to build a warehouse (number)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_wrh_proc&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Profit tax (% of commercial profits)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_tax_prft_cp_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Start-up procedures to register a business (number)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_reg_proc&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Time required to start a business (days)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_reg_durs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Total tax rate (% of commercial profits)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ic_tax_totl_cp_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

Armed forces personnel (% of total labor force)
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ms_mil_totl_tf_zs&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:CAN:AUS:ARG&ifdim=region&hl=en&dl=en&ind=false&icfg&iconSize=0.5

 

[Bajo_cero2]

? this means what ?

That the automatic correction tools should be enabled in my I-Phone. Medical insurance.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

I don't agree with the economics that is taught at UBA, it's a common theme amongst UBA economics students that I know, they have a poor understanding of capitalist economic models and economic models around the world. My girlfriend is argentine and I have many argentine friends so I am hardly in to being racist/making racist comments. Please if you don't understand insult words, do not use them.

Free(ish) market models in Argentina have only been tried twice in the last 50 years, once during the dictadura and then by menem. The dictadura is not a good example and Menem was hamstrung by corruption and the convertabilidad. This model has been found out so it's obviously not a good one in the long term. I still stand by the fact that if properly implemented they could work here.

Here I disagree. Since 1880 and Perón, there was a free market economy in this country including free market of labor force. That´s why people was so poor. That´s why Peron become a demi-god among workers.

Regarding Australia, there is an interesting Thesis I read at UBA. Dr. Carlos Escudé (Menem´s foreign policy author) asserts that Argentina depended on the commerce with the UK but after WWII Argentina showed to do not be the same than Australia, so the UK prefered to buy to Commonwhealh countries instead of Argentina who was clearly on the german side.

However, will see how things go on the next few weeks or we will be asserting that the US is like Argentina 2001.

 

[Jaredberryman]

Personally, I think that there is no such thing as a magic bullet to solve poverty. Capitalism or socialism will not solve poverty, since it is a problem of greed and ethics more than anything else. However, if I had to lean one way, I might lean more towards some capitalistic ideas (but of course, for those ideas to work, the people involved can't be greedy). Some of the best examples of programs that have made a dent in poverty are habitat for humanity, no chains, and programs that lend tiny amounts of money to poor people for them to make a successful business. In the case of programs like these, though, they require entrepreneurship, creativity, generosity, invention, and hard work. These kinds of programs have proven to be much more successful than, say, welfare or planes de trabajo. Welfare is just a stop gag that doesn't go to the heart of the problem, and has been proven to not help families escape poverty on a large scale. In order to make a dent in poverty, creativity is the way to move forward.

 

[camberiu]

This is capitalism:

Back in 2000 two Manauara guys living in the middle of the Amazon saw a documentary on the Discovery Channel about Hovercrafts. They immediately felt in love with the machine and saw it as a way to easily transport people across the Amazon, a region with no roads and where people who cannot not afford to fly must to rely on slow, uncomfortable and often dangerous barges in order to travel. They spent the next 12 years working their butts off trying to make their dream come true and completely transform regional transportation in the Amazon region. This is the outcome: The first large production line passenger hovercraft ever to be designed and built in Latin America. And they built it in the middle of the jungle!!!! People of the amazon will now be able to travel fast (100 km/h), safely, cheaply and comfortably (air conditioned room) over the entire Amazonian river system. Don't be surprised if these boats show up at Buquebus at some point in the future.
That is capitalism. That is what Latin America needs.

 

[Matiasba]

Regarding Australia, there is an interesting Thesis I read at UBA. Dr. Carlos Escudé (Menem´s foreign policy author) asserts that Argentina depended on the commerce with the UK but after WWII Argentina showed to do not be the same than Australia, so the UK prefered to buy to Commonwhealh countries instead of Argentina who was clearly on the german side.

I said something similar the other day. When the war finished, the new power, the US, with Marshall Plan and economic helps to Japan and Europe "ninguneó" an important economy as it was Argentina by those days. That was the begginbing of the decadence IMO. And it has to do the fact that Peron has sympathized with the germans and Mussolini.

 

[germano]

I said something similar the other day. When the war finished, the new power, the US, with Marshall Plan and economic helps to Japan and Europe "ninguneó" an important economy as it was Argentina by those days. That was the begginbing of the decadence IMO. And it has to do the fact that Peron has sympathized with the germans and Mussolini.

But following you logic it would be hard to explain why the Marshall Plan helped rebuilding Western Germany, then. I believe the reason is not that the Argentinian government had sympathies for Hitler Germany - but that it was so far away from the iron curtain and the US saw no risk that Argentina might be becoming part of the eastern block or that they needed Argentina to be a economically strong ally in the cold war. The US did not seem to have any issues with former Nazi sympathizers and even Nazis as long as they weren't involved in war crimes and the holocaust - they made some even US citizens to fly to the moon, build the nuclear bomb, build jet airplanes etc.

 

[che]

Bajo_cero2, on 16 October 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:


Regarding Australia, there is an interesting Thesis I read at UBA. Dr. Carlos Escudé (Menem´s foreign policy author) asserts that Argentina depended on the commerce with the UK but after WWII Argentina showed to do not be the same than Australia, so the UK prefered to buy to Commonwhealh countries instead of Argentina who was clearly on the german side.

I said something similar the other day. When the war finished, the new power, the US, with Marshall Plan and economic helps to Japan and Europe "ninguneó" an important economy as it was Argentina by those days. That was the begginbing of the decadence IMO. And it has to do the fact that Peron has sympathized with the germans and Mussolin


But following you logic it would be hard to explain why the Marshall Plan helped rebuilding Western Germany, then. I believe the reason is not that the Argentinian government had sympathies for Hitler Germany - but that it was so far away from the iron curtain and the US saw no risk that Argentina might be becoming part of the eastern block or that they needed Argentina to be a economically strong ally in the cold war. The US did not seem to have any issues with former Nazi sympathizers and even Nazis as long as they weren't involved in war crimes and the holocaust - they made some even US citizens to fly to the moon, build the nuclear bomb, build jet airplanes etc.

What is all this garbage? Argentina screwed itself b/c it went socialist under Peron. What is so hard to understand about that? We even now have her face on the new 100 bills, which are worth 1000% less than they were 12 years ago, b/c the citizens of this country have no clue that socialism and Peron screwed them. It is incredible te lack of understanding this country has about true econimics.