Falklands Referendum

[Matiasba]

very good question, probably because its a fringe committee that the UK and USA don't even bother with.

If you read the remit of the committee its basically to provide the citizens of the "colonised" territory with the means to declare independence or some other form of self governance. Which all the British overseas territories have now.



No that is nonsense. look at this map, surely Tierra del Fuego should belong to Chile why is there a Triangle there at the bottom belonging to Argentina?

if you look at the map it belongs to Chile !!! that's good sense.

I disagree, if you look well, without any lines, that map, you ll conclude that island could be to anyone, Chile or Argentiina. In fact, I think they established the limit in the half probably because of the good sense

 

[ajoknoblauch]

What I said, is that countries were born as we know it today, the modern state, that didnt even exist in the Uk or Italy. In the peripheria the limits werent that clear, and there was a lot of virgin territory, or occupied by the indians, but as the new states have the guns, thats why they were known as desierto or they could fight for it with another country, because they know, always, they could control the indians.

So, Argentina was the creation of a violent, aggressive invader.

 

[Frinkiac7]

While we're at it, can we all agree that Saint Pierre and Miquelon, French island territories off the coast of Canada, should immediately be given over to Canada? And really, we should assemble a running list of all the unjust colonialist territories across the world so that we can step in and make sure that they're all returned to the closet geographic mainland country. Clearly, those are the best (and fairest) criteria.

 

[MartyBA]

Before Argentina, the Spanish rulers had the same issue with the French on those islands, then known as Malouines. The Islanders have the right to decide about their future and all, but not at the expense of the Argentines. Whatever happened 200 years ago nobody knows for sure and it doesn't matter, nor the UN legalese. The core of this conflict is not about the past, it's about the future, it is not about what 3000 farmers want, it's about the risks on Argentina's fundamental national interests when having those islands in the hands of a hostile foreign power like the UK. Argentina just can't afford not to control those Islands, so, there you go...

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Before Argentina, the Spanish rulers had the same issue with the French on those islands, then known as Malouines. The Islanders have the right to decide about their future and all, but not at the expense of the Argentines. Whatever happened 200 years ago nobody knows for sure and it doesn't matter, nor the UN legalese. The core of this conflict is not about the past, it's about the future, it is not about what 3000 farmers want, it's about the risks on Argentina's fundamental national interests when having those islands in the hands of a hostile foreign power like the UK. Argentina just can't afford not to control those Islands, so, there you go...

No, the issue is the matter of 3000 Islanders being in the hands of a hostile foreign power like Argentina.

 

[MartyBA]

Of course not, there's no conflict with the Islanders, but the UK.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Of course not, there's no conflict with the Islanders, but the UK.

Argentina is so hostile that it refuses to acknowledge the rights of a permanent, self-governing population. This is not a bilateral matter, it is a trilateral matter, and the Islanders deserve to have their rights and desires respected.

 

[pauper]

Of course not, there's no conflict with the Islanders, but the UK.

What if the islanders declared independence - there would no longer be a 'hostile foreign power' nor an issue of colonialism, I assume Argentina would just leave them in peace?

 

[MartyBA]

The conflict is between Argentina and the UK over the control of an ( strategic ) area of the South Atlantic adjacent to Argentine shores. The Islanders handed over their foreign matters to the government of the UK, it was their choice.The Islanders way of life is even protected by the Argentine Constitution. The only commercial flight from the continent ( LAN ) goes thru Argentine airspace with Argentine approval. If some day the Islanders decide to declare independence that will effectively means the end of the conflict.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

What if the islanders declared independence - there would no longer be a 'hostile foreign power' nor an issue of colonialism, I assume Argentina would just leave them in peace?

The Argentines invaded once, and it would be naive to think they would never do so again.