Land Grabs And Squatters

[ajoknoblauch]

we re talking of different things. Argentinas foundation was when the nation-state concept spread wide on the world. The idea of a Nation-State in Argentina consolidated in the 1880s, and so in other countries of Latin America. i guess in France started with the French revolution, in Asia & Africa in the 1960s, etc. See the flag of Brazil? Orden y Progreso? that is the slogan of those times, positivism, make a huge State, etc.

It's a bogus concept (totalmente trucho, si preferís lunfardo). There is no such thing as a nation-state, in which the people and the government are congruent. The Mapuche, for instance, are a nation but have no state. Argentina and Chile are states, but not nations.

 

[Matiasba]

It's a bogus concept (totalmente trucho, si preferís lunfardo). There is no such thing as a nation-state, in which the people and the government are congruent. The Mapuche, for instance, are a nation but have no state. Argentina and Chile are states, but not nations.

yes I understood you, like the jews, that werent a state till 1948, or the gypsies.

The thing is that to small countries like the south american during the XIXth century, it was relatively easy to homogeneize.... only today Bolivia and Peru claim to be plurinational. Yes they have been murdered here, but it wasnt a massacre, they werent numerically that important to not consider Argentina or Chile or Uruguay a nation. Anyway, they have the recognition today, as a minority. In Paraguay you ll find more indigenas roots and more recognition, this is how the States homogeniezed and tried to uniformed their citizens in the XIXth century, by sending them to school by law, by establishing spanish as the only language, calling immigration from northern european countries (that finally ended coming southern europeans), etc.

 

[Montauk_Project]

Actually, the constitution of Argentina grants the right to "access a dignified house", it does not say how it needs to be granted:.
La Constitución de la Nación Argentina en su articulado 14 bis dice que: El Estado otorgará los beneficios de la seguridad social, que tendrá carácter de integral e irrenunciable. En especial, la ley establecerá: el seguro social obligatorio, que estará a cargo de entidades nacionales o provinciales con autonomía financiera y económica, administradas por los interesados con participación del Estado, sin que pueda existir superposición de aportes; jubilaciones y pensiones móviles; la protección integral de la familia; la defensa del bien de familia; la compensación económica familiar y el acceso a una vivienda digna.
So, you may not like it but it is an actual right in Argentina, just like voting or also for any "honest" foreigner to inhabit the soil of Argentina.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

So, you may not like it but it is an actual right in Argentina, just like voting or also for any "honest" foreigner to inhabit the soil of Argentina.

The question then is how is "access" and these rights interpreted by the courts. Is the State legally bound to provide housing?

 

[EdRooney]

I lived in the US back in the 80's when Jeanne Kirkpatrick and others in the Reagan administration would regularly come out in the press scorning the Declaration of Human Rights and international law as a whole (must've had something to do with their having been found guilty of a war crime by the ICJ when they mined Managua harbour...). Since then, I have noticed that this scorn has become so engrained in US education and the media there that it's very hard for Yanks to grasp the idea of international norms, since they are bombarded with a constant stream of propaganda about 'rugged individualism'. Of course this rugged individualism rule only applies to lower income individuals, not to Too-Big-To-Fail banks or major corporations like Boeing or Cargill who regularly leech off the generous nanny state.

And this rugged individualism has found its greatest application in the countries under the thumb of US foreign policy, especially Central America. Meanwhile, countries that do take these internationally recognised rights seriously tend to see reductions in poverty and more productive economies, with places like South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia, etc. being prime examples.

Argentina should thus continue to guarantee employment, housing and health care for its populace. How well the current administrations here are doing in that regard is a good debate, but the fact that these are basic human rights should be blatantly clear.