New Immigration Decree, Long Life To King Macri!

[Bajo_cero2]

Anything that is not for K is dictatorship, fuhrers and other ghosts.

The main problem is they are not ghost. The Nazi influence in this country is huge:




Now days you listen people saying: "Give them time" when they are destroying the Republic and abolishing the law and the National Constitution by decree: by the will of the Furhrer Prinzip.

If you do not criticize them because you are a good soldier of the party, then, as you can read, your might become a good nazi without even realizing it.

In fact, besides the personalities of the actual or former Presidents, the one who enacted the immigration Law where you are not an illegal, where you have rights, where you can get citizenship if you don´t qualify for residency, the one who abolished deportation for Mercosur countries was Néstor Kirchner. The one who enacted the decree 616/2010 that created the deportation procedure and the illegality of the Colonia runs was CFK while Macri is who is planing to abolish the National Constitution by decree creating a nazi regimen where you can be arrested and deported without any judge control just like that.

So, I like or I dislike politicians because of they actions instead of the color of the T- Shirt.

When the constitutional rights and the basic institutions are violated, this politicians becomes your enemy because they are tyrans.

 

[nikad]

The main problem is they are not ghost. The Nazi influence in this country is huge:




Now days you listen people saying: "Give them time" when they are destroying the Republic and abolishing the law and the National Constitution by decree: by the will of the Furhrer Prinzip.

If you do not criticize them because you are a good soldier of the party, then, as you can read, your might become a good nazi without even realizing it.

In fact, besides the personalities of the actual or former Presidents, the one who enacted the immigration Law where you are not an illegal, where you have rights, where you can get citizenship if you don´t qualify for residency, the one who abolished deportation for Mercosur countries was Néstor Kirchner. The one who enacted the decree 616/2010 that created the deportation procedure and the illegality of the Colonia runs was CFK while Macri is who is planing to abolish the National Constitution by decree creating a nazi regimen where you can be arrested and deported without any judge control just like that.

So, I like or I dislike politicians because of they actions instead of the color of the T- Shirt.

When the constitutional rights and the basic institutions are violated, this politicians becomes your enemy because they are tyrans.

What NK did was an abomination. Period. Sorry I do not wish to see Argentina importing criminals, maybe you do as it is profitable for your business. You mentioned your client was arrested in 2008? Wasn't that under CFK's administration? Oh by the way, nothing is more anti Constitutional and bizarre that a married couple alternating presidencies to perpetuate them in power. I call that anti republic and dictatorship. As a side note, name me ONE democratic president that did not pass any decrees.

 

[nikad]

Kirchner in charge of US Customs and Border Patrol...

http://www.clarin.co..._SJG0sgHwx.html

 

[Bajo_cero2]

What NK did was an abomination. Period. Sorry I do not wish to see Argentina importing criminals, maybe you do as it is profitable for your business. You mentioned your client was arrested in 2008? Wasn't that under CFK's administration? Oh by the way, nothing is more anti Constitutional and bizarre that a married couple alternating presidencies to perpetuate them in power. I call that anti republic and dictatorship. As a side note, name me ONE democratic president that did not pass any decrees.

Here is where you are confused.

If you are under criminal prosecution or were in jail, you cannot have a passport or leave the country. In most of the countries is for 5 years.
The immigration law already states that criminal records banns you for getting a DNI and it is a deportation cause.

Can you describe what was the abomination that NK did? The immigration law is not the best we can have but it respects basic principles of due process and human rights.

In 2008 there was an inspection of the immigration police. Nobody was arrested because the immigration police cannot arrest [until now]. The decree 616/2010 enacted by CFK states that immigration has to ask to a judge for an arrest order only after the deportation order was enacted and the foreigner got a notification and agreed or appealed and lost and it is ruled by the criminal procedure code that states it is only possible to arrest someone if there is risk that the immigrant escapes while the draft of the King states that the immigration police can arrest you without an order neither control of the justice neither a cause besides xenophobia.

What is obvious is that the King is trying to control the judges taking away decisions from them. You do not realize that this the definition of absolute power. Instead of the Congress he abolish the law and the National Constitution by decree; instead of the judges, he decides when and who to arrest. And he is the commander in thief of the forces of this country.

This is the definition of absolute power.

Here you are wrong. You do not like that they alternated the Presidency, Ok, it is a yellow light. It means that we should double check if they are tyrants or not because it looks fishy but it is not unconstitutional while to use the power on the 3 branches of the State: EP, LP and JP is describe at the National Constitution as betrayal to the Nation. There is an express prohibition about that.

Here you are wrong too. A President rule by decree but the decrees are orders to its employed, the decree cannot legislate neither derogate the law or the National Constitution. It is forbidden by the NC the decrees regarding criminal cases or arrest persons. The only exception is under war times where he can order the arrest just to put the person under a judge and the arrested person can choose to leave the country.

Don´t be a good soldier of the regime.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Kirchner in charge of US Customs and Border Patrol...

http://www.clarin.co..._SJG0sgHwx.html

While the the immigration act is restrictive (a law), here the King wants to do the same but against the law and the National Constitution.

The second is that the Bill of Rights of the USA states that the benefits of freedom are for [Americans] while ours states that they are for all the men who wish to live here. A big difference don´t you think so?.

 

[nikad]

While the the immigration act is restrictive (a law), here the King wants to do the same but against the law and the National Constitution.

The second is that the Bill of Rights of the USA states that the benefits of freedom are for [Americans] while ours states that they are for all the men who wish to live here. A big difference don´t you think so?.

Huge difference, however it does not say for all the men, it says for all GOOD men.

 

[nikad]

Here is where you are confused.

If you are under criminal prosecution or were in jail, you cannot have a passport or leave the country. In most of the countries is for 5 years.
The immigration law already states that criminal records banns you for getting a DNI and it is a deportation cause.

Can you describe what was the abomination that NK did? The immigration law is not the best we can have but it respects basic principles of due process and human rights.

In 2008 there was an inspection of the immigration police. Nobody was arrested because the immigration police cannot arrest [until now]. The decree 616/2010 enacted by CFK states that immigration has to ask to a judge for an arrest order only after the deportation order was enacted and the foreigner got a notification and agreed or appealed and lost and it is ruled by the criminal procedure code that states it is only possible to arrest someone if there is risk that the immigrant escapes while the draft of the King states that the immigration police can arrest you without an order neither control of the justice neither a cause besides xenophobia.

What is obvious is that the King is trying to control the judges taking away decisions from them. You do not realize that this the definition of absolute power. Instead of the Congress he abolish the law and the National Constitution by decree; instead of the judges, he decides when and who to arrest. And he is the commander in thief of the forces of this country.

This is the definition of absolute power.

Here you are wrong. You do not like that they alternated the Presidency, Ok, it is a yellow light. It means that we should double check if they are tyrants or not because it looks fishy but it is not unconstitutional while to use the power on the 3 branches of the State: EP, LP and JP is describe at the National Constitution as betrayal to the Nation. There is an express prohibition about that.

Here you are wrong too. A President rule by decree but the decrees are orders to its employed, the decree cannot legislate neither derogate the law or the National Constitution. It is forbidden by the NC the decrees regarding criminal cases or arrest persons. The only exception is under war times where he can order the arrest just to put the person under a judge and the arrested person can choose to leave the country.

Don´t be a good soldier of the regime.

The draft in the way I see it is not ruling or derogating anything. It basically states a side expedite process that must be followed by Migrations PARALLEL to the criminal process.

I don't see how CFK showed any respect for the Republic when there was an Oyarbide, a Congress majority that blatantly refused to discuss laws and projects with large minorities, a Federal attorney MURDERED while investigating the Queen ( suspected of protecting Iran's government and its links to AMIA's bombing )

 

[camberiu]

The second is that the Bill of Rights of the USA states that the benefits of freedom are for [Americans]

It does no such thing. Nowhere in the Bill of Rights it states that those rights are restricted to American citizens. The United States was founded under the principle that our basic rights are inherent to all humans, granted to us by our creator (whomever or whatever that might be) and exists independently of the government.
Now, has this been enforced in practice? From slavery to the CIA tortures and Guantanamo, that is obviously not the case. Rights are brought up and forgotten at the convenience of whomever is in charge at the time. But the letter of the law, ignored or not, makes no distinction between the basic rights being only for US citizens.

Besides that, I think you are on the right on this one. The decree being good or bad is irrelevant. It is a decree and it undermines the Republic. It is wrong.
But would you feel the same if Cristina had issued a decree that you agreed with? I think the credibility issue you are having on this case is that most of us feel that you would be nowhere near as vocal, if Cristina had issued a decreed that aligned with your political views.

 

[nikad]

Number of Decrees DNU signed by democratic presidents:

Carlos Menem 574 dnu
Nestor Kirchner 270 dnu
Eduardo Duhalde 158 dnu
Cristina Kirchner 79 dnu
Mauricio Macri 3 dnu

http://www.perfil.com/politica/macri-firmo-tres-dnu-en-menos-de-un-mes-y-ya-supera-a-cristina-0103-0022.phtml

 

[Bajo_cero2]

Number of Decrees DNU signed by democratic presidents:

Carlos Menem 574 dnu
Nestor Kirchner 270 dnu
Eduardo Duhalde 158 dnu
Cristina Kirchner 79 dnu
Mauricio Macri 3 dnu

http://www.perfil.co...0103-0022.phtml

Nikad, DNU are like sex, it is not about how many time you have sex with someone, it is all about if it is consented or not. If not only one time, you have a rape.

The 3 times the President used the DNU were behaving like a King:
a) He derogated the media law;
b ) He tried to by pass the Congress and appoint 2 judges at Supreme Court; The "jueces en comisión", it means, to designate a judge for 1 year, is an institution that was used by Peron to subjugate the justice and this is why locals gets so upset when he tries to behave like Perón.
c) Now he tries to by pass the Congress and subjugate the Federal Judges because the decree looks for a) deportation and arrest of foreigners without Court control and B) to attach the citizenship to legal residency that is decided by the DNM while until now judges decides if the 2 years residency is full fit or not.

Art. 99 of the National Constitution rules the decree of need and urgency.
Solamente cuando circunstancias excepcionales hicieran imposible seguir los trámites ordinarios previstos por esta Constitución para la sanción de las leyes, y no se trate de normas que regulen materia penal, tributaria, electoral o de régimen de los partidos políticos, podrá dictar decretos por razones de necesidad y urgencia, los que serán decididos en acuerdo general de ministros que deberán refrendarlos, conjuntamente con el jefe de gabinete de ministros.
The translation is: only when exceptional circumstances would made impossible to follow the ordinary procedure stablished in this Constitution for the sanction of laws, and this is not about laws that rule on criminal, tax, electoral or the rules of political parties, [the President] will be able to dictate decrees by reasons of need and urgency...

As you can read in the newspapers, the President is just trying to by pass the Congress, there are not excepcional circumstances that allows him to dictate a DNU.
The imprisionment of human beings is considerer a criminal law issue no matter if this is about immigrants or not, in fact, the decree 616/2010 states that the arrest of immigrants follows the rules of the criminal procedure code.

Carlos Menem and NK are the 2 with more DNU because they found the country in economical crisis. Menem had to deal with the hiperinflation (over 1000% of inflation) and NK was the first elected President after the crisis of 2001.

FYI Duhalde doesn´t count as a democratic President as soon as he was appointed.