Peronist Future?

Nope. I heard it from their own mouths and quote it as literally as I can.

Does that mean you took the bait? Have they hooked you? Are you capable of understanding and or discerning when you are being misled or deceived even when the deceivers believe with their whole heart in the people, ideas and ideologies that have deceived them?
 
Back to the original topic and considering that they behave like a cult... I think that mass suicide would be ok :p
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWIdn4v_cwc

Hmmm an ambitious actress with a 6th grade education.
 
Does that mean you took the bait? Have they hooked you? Are you capable of understanding and or discerning when you are being misled or deceived even when the deceivers believe with their whole heart in the people, ideas and ideologies that have deceived them?
Pensador, it only means what it means. If I quote someone and say so, doesn't mean I have to agree with or ridicule what they say. Talking about Peronism, why not let the hard-core Peronists say how they see it, nothing more. I can listen to what people have to say, for themselves, without necessarily having to buy it, or disrespecting them just because I happen to disagree with their views. I can respect people without necessarily agreeing with them. I can frankly tell you I disagree with many views of my Campora friends, yet I understand where they come from, as well as the fact they are genuinely concerned, and I respect the way they stand for what they believe in, no matter how much they might be misled by populist propaganda. We are all brainwashed, in one way or another. The stronger your opinion, the less likely you are to be immune to that. I actually do agree with my Campora friends in many things (such as gay rights, ending gender violence etc, etc.), without thinking I must be right, or that Macri must be against it because "he's the devil".

What if I tell you I very much respect Cristina Kirchner and Daniel Scioli, while I would still vote for Mauricio Macri if I had that option? Can you digest that? I actually believe that understanding the "enemy" (=opposition, Campora & Co.) will be crucial in determining whether Macri succeeds in long term or not. If he manages to understand where they come from, he has a future. In my humble opinion, one of the reasons he won was his attitude. Instead of accusing the opponent of made-up chimeras, he chose to answer the fears of his opponents, in a very civilised way (something his rival failed to do). Plus, of course, I reserve my right to be wrong, as it happens sometimes. Will you sleep better now?
 
Just one note: it seems a common misconception on this site to think that Frente para la Victoria = Peronism. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The group in power now is a coalition of various tendencies, some Peronist, others not (just as the incoming coalition is a mix of Radicals, Socialists, Liberals... and even some Peronists). For example, Massa is a Peronist, as were many of his voters. While it is true that Macri, a non-Peronist, defeated Scioli, a Peronist, this is not the first time this has happened in Argentine history (De la Rúa, 1999) and it did not mean the end of the Peronist movement.

The question as to the role FpV will play now as opposition is a good one, but Peronism does not stop and start at CFK's front door.

-- Ed

Touche!
I'm radical but here many call me camporista.
 
Pensador, it only means what it means. If I quote someone and say so, doesn't mean I have to agree with or ridicule what they say. Talking about Peronism, why not let the hard-core Peronists say how they see it, nothing more. I can listen to what people have to say, for themselves, without necessarily having to buy it, or disrespecting them just because I happen to disagree with their views. I can respect people without necessarily agreeing with them. I can frankly tell you I disagree with many views of my Campora friends, yet I understand where they come from, as well as the fact they are genuinely concerned, and I respect the way they stand for what they believe in, no matter how much they might be misled by populist propaganda. We are all brainwashed, in one way or another. The stronger your opinion, the less likely you are to be immune to that. I actually do agree with my Campora friends in many things (such as gay rights, ending gender violence etc, etc.), without thinking I must be right, or that Macri must be against it.

What if I tell you I very much respect Cristina Kirchner and Daniel Scioli, while I would still vote for Macri if I had that option? Can you digest that? I actually believe that understanding the "enemy" (=opposition, Campora & Co.) will be crucial in determining whether Macri succeeds in long term or not. If he manages to understand where they come from, he has a future. In my humble opinion, one of the reasons he won was his attitude. Instead of accusing the opponent of chimeras, he chose to answer the fears of his opponents, in a very civilised way (something his rival failed to do). Plus, of course, I reserve my right to be wrong, as it happens sometimes. Will you sleep better now?

In my thinking respect is only something that is earned by honor and integrity if you respect people that lack that and bend numbers and lie for their benefit then my respect you have not earned. Due diligence and critical thinking never leave me lacking sleep.
 
Going back to the topic, Macri has the Presidency and some governors but he lack the Congress.

He can use veto powers once, if the Congress votes again the same law, they by pass Macri.

If Macri try to rule without the Congress by decree, then the Congress using the Comision Bicameral can abolish the decree.

Macri has too many criminal cases against him.
 
In my thinking respect is only something that is earned by honor and integrity if you respect people that lack that and bend numbers and lie for their benefit then my respect you have not earned. Due diligence and critical thinking never leave me lacking sleep.

In a way, you are absolutely right. That is the only way to earn respect of others.

Yet I deliberately choose respecting the other no matter what. Talking about basic human respect and an open ear to listen, not blind adoration. The only reason being, it just makes this world a better place.
 
In a way, you are absolutely right. That is the only way to earn respect of others.

Yet I deliberately choose respecting the other no matter what. Talking about basic human respect, not blind adoration. The only reason being, it just makes this world a better place.

Good answer. But my retort would be is that really making the world a better place? Respect for that which has not earned it?
 
It all boils down to understanding whether you really have to respond to the shortcomings (or downright stupidity) of others, or you are aware you are creating your version of the world. In the world I create, respect for one another is an absolute must. Victim versus creator. You choose. Hate if you must, respect if you can.
 
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