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perry

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The case of the missing Pomar Family has been laid to rest with the discovery of their car and corpses in a obscure area off Route 31 near Pergamino.

A case that had more conspiracy theories than conspiracists has been laid to rest tonight with another gruesome tragedy all too familiar on Argentine roads.

When are they going to crack down on these appalling road figures?

http://www.lavoz.com.ar/09/12/08/secciones/sucesos/nota.asp?nota_id=574368


Security Minister for Buenos Aires Province, Carlos Stornelli, said that "apparantly the driver of the vehicle in which the Pomar family was travelling was conducted by a driver who fell asleep" at the wheel. He added that "no theory can be thrown out" at this point, with regards to the family's death.
Also, he said that the bodies were found nearby in a grassy area. They will be sent to the morgue in the Lomas de Zamora area of Buenos Aires Province to undergo autopsies, as was ordered by María del Carmen Falbo, the General Procurator.
Judicial sources told a local news agency that the head of provincial prosecutors asked that two experts from the Criminal Policies Institue go to the crash site to analyze the area.
The chief of Buenos Aires police, Juan Carlos Paggi, said that the place where the Fiat Duna Weekend pertaining to the Pomar family was found had already been inspected and searched by investigators.
"That area had been searched on land and by air, but we had not been notified that there had been a traffic accident," he said.
Paggi said that the area was a "small hill" near Highway 31, with a lot of vegetative growth.
"If this was a traffic accident, we will investigate" what led to it.
Police found the vehicle belonging to the Pomar family near the city of Pergamino, in Buenos Aires Province, with all four of its occupants deceased.
Police sources indicated that the car showed signs of an accident, as it was found turned over on its side.
The bodies of the family were found some 10 meters from the vehicle, more than three weeks after they went missing.
Stornelli confirmed the finding and said that "everything points to an accident."
According to the secretary for investigations and criminal intellingence in Buenos Aires, Paul Starc, the car was found near Highway 31, some 40 kilometers from Pergamino.
The Pomar family, which included Fernando (40), Gabriela Viagran (37), Candelaria (6) and Pilar (3) had been missing for 24 days.
Sources have confirmed that the bodies were found in a state of decomposition, implying that they have been at the site for several days.
 

ElQueso

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That's a terrible tragedy, without doubt.

It's not the figures themselves they need to crack down on. It's the people who completely ignore the traffic laws.

Just today I was sitting at a traffic light (a very rare one out where I live) at the end of an exit ramp from Ruta 8. This guy comes barreling down the ramp, completely ignores the traffic light I am sitting at (fortunately, I was the only one waiting and there was room for almost three cars to pass) and just flies through the intersection. Pedestrians crossing the road had to jump out of the way. A car coming from under the freeway to my left had to slam on his brakes to avoid running into him.

There was a police car sitting on the collectora waiting for the light to turn. It's a shame the cops couldn't have chased the guy down, stopped him, and maybe even arrested him for reckless endangerment. At the best, I guess they noted his license plate and wrote him up a ticket - if they even bothered to do so.

No one out here pays any attention whatsoever to stop signs. People fly down the freeway at 170 kph, honking and flashing lights if you're doing 130-140 in the left lane, and if you don't move and they can do it, they dodge back and forth through the other lanes to get around the "block." If they can't get around you, they ride your ass inches away from your bumper, pressuring you to get the hell out of the way. Even when it's raining!

I've seen too many cars turned upside down on the freeway, two or three cars or trucks smashed together, so on and so forth.

It's all about enforcement. It has to be done or the citizens ignore the laws.

Of course, enforcement won't help someone who fell asleep at the wheel most likely...
 

perry

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Good post Elqueso and I agree that only with a massive police crackdown on the roads here will tame the egoism of their drivers. When you realise that over 10000 people a year die on Argentine roads and of those imho 70 percent are completely preventable if there was a different system in place here.

A government has a duty of care to protect its citizens and to hell with those who do no respect the rules of the road. I am for very strict law enforcement and seizure of all vehicles that do not abide by road rules.
 

fifilafiloche

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If argentines can t do it, expatriates will.:rolleyes:

Riding in Argentina reminds me very much of China. You can t impose your style, you have to adapt to the flow, especially when you are on a light vehicule like a motorcycle. This is all a question of flexibility.

In Argentina itself, each region has its style. Mendoza is very strong on law enforcement, be it road rules or taxes. Poorer regions like Catamarca or Chaco won t bother you with anything. Missiones, and especially Routa 14 to Iguazu, will find offenses you never commited.

But just like you didnt come here to solve poverty problems, but most likely to enjoy the relaxed atmosphere, low cost of living and sympathy of the people, don t expect things to work like in your own country. That lack of oppressive law inforcement you are talking about might also be the reason why you feel better here than there, 10000ds of km away from your roots.

Road tolls are higher? So be it. It s still very marginal.

A few thousands victims of terrorist attacks penalised billions of airlines passengers for the last 8 years, obliging them to humiliate themselves in front of police officers watching them suspiciously...Was that marginal toll worth the disconfort to use a plane nowadays?

Imho, no.
 

gouchobob

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Don't expect any crack-down anytime soon. It's something the government could do and makes some sense so don't expect it. However, you will if you drive here notice (at this time of year) that more cars are pulled over than normal, the police need cash for Christmas shopping. Driving (and the drivers)here is one of the worst things you can experience in Argentina.
 

perry

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If argentines can t do it, expatriates will.:rolleyes:

Riding in Argentina reminds me very much of China. You can t impose your style, you have to adapt to the flow, especially when you are on a light vehicule like a motorcycle. This is all a question of flexibility.

In Argentina itself, each region has its style. Mendoza is very strong on law enforcement, be it road rules or taxes. Poorer regions like Catamarca or Chaco won t bother you with anything. Missiones, and especially Routa 14 to Iguazu, will find offenses you never commited.

But just like you didnt come here to solve poverty problems, but most likely to enjoy the relaxed atmosphere, low cost of living and sympathy of the people, don t expect things to work like in your own country. That lack of oppressive law inforcement you are talking about might also be the reason why you feel better here than there, 10000ds of km away from your roots.

Road tolls are higher? So be it. It s still very marginal.

A few thousands victims of terrorist attacks penalised billions of airlines passengers for the last 8 years, obliging them to humiliate themselves in front of police officers watching them suspiciously...Was that marginal toll worth the disconfort to use a plane nowadays?

Imho, no. ( Quote fifilafiloche)



Comments by our expert commentator on Argentina. 10000 dead a year are marginal fifilafiloche maybe 100000 injuries per year are marginal as well and so be it as quoted by your outrageous statements.

For someone who professes to love the Argentine people you certainly show that love with your uncaring statements above.
 

fifilafiloche

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You dont seem to understand my point, or more precisely are not willing to understand it, Pericles.

So i ll help you with that : each medal has its backside. Where law is suffocatingly, automaticly enforced, you might save some lives but make life for everybody more unpleasant, frustrating, unconfortable. For a humain chain to work properly, you need to keep it a bit loose, flexible, or it will break at one point or another.

Caring or not caring will not change anything, i m just a visitor, tolerated as long as i don t show too much arrogance to local customs.
 

iStar

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I was in a TAXI last week coming home from a club at 4:30AM and the driver was falling asleep at the wheel! I had to talk to him to keep him from dozing off!
 

arty

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iStar said:
I was in a TAXI last week coming home from a club at 4:30AM and the driver was falling asleep at the wheel! I had to talk to him to keep him from dozing off!
i grab a taxi leaving a club at 5.30 am and he was BLASTING the same song non stop all way to my place.. about a 15 min drive, he also turned off the meter at some point and i was too tired to care.
 

perry

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fifilafinoche your arguments are once again shallow and lacking depth and knowledge of the subject .

If we go by what you say Argentina is charming because it has no police controls and allows people to express their inherent egoism without any response . You also state in your last post that it is fine that over 10000 people and many more times that figures are injured and maimed for life . You believe that to be acceptable due to allowing yourself the freedom to express your rights and not having police controls etc etc etc.

Freedom of expression and human rights is a commendable goal and I fully support this 100 percent . All humans should have equal rights without government and religion imposing their will on them Human beings should be able to express theirselves sexually without government or churches imposing archaic laws impeding their development. Freedom of expression is also commendable when your own human body is allowed to be free and not subjected to forced interventions and vaccination as is the case in most of the world with the USA leading the way with its forced injections of its youth via vaccinations . I believe that the parents should decide if their children should be vaccinated and as adults we also should not be dictated to be vaccinated in the name of public health.

I believe that creative expression must be clearly free and not dominated by one group over another and censorship of plays ,films ,media deemed to be unacceptable . In the world today there is a monolopy on the media who are controlling our thoughts and behaviour and their power is paramount.

Saying all that freedom do not give us the human being the right to impose by carelessness and callous behaviour the detriment of others causing loss of life and injury. If we go by fifilafinoches argument it is fine that people can drive the way that they do and the huge road toll is just collateral damage . I ask the members is it acceptable that a human being enters a shopping centre with a cocked gun ? Should we allow these people to walk around freely all in the guise of freedom.? A car like a gun is a weapon and a very dangerous one at that killing more peoples worldwide than most diseases combined and as stated before Argentina leads the world with its horrific road toll. I myself see on a daily basis the careless behaviour of its drivers on the roads of the Capital Federal . There is little respect for pedestrians and this is acceptable?

I am for protecting the rights of Argentine citizens to be able to drive their cars and walk their streets without uneccessary fear due to crazed drivers and the like . Going to the the coast or driving through the provinces should not be a gamble of russian roulette and our safety must be paramount and protected and all means should be enforced to achieve this.
 
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