The Best Reason Now To Be An Expat In Argentina...

[ajoknoblauch]

Cabrera?

¿Cabrón?

 

[teschowv]

As a passive right, yes. No one can deny or prevent you from seeking care.
As an active right, no. No one should be forced or required to pay for your healthcare.

The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights is based on the principle of PASSIVE rights. The French revolution and its offsprings, like the Bolsheviks, the Nazis, the Fascists and the Maoists believe in active rights.

Allow me to weigh in as a Canadian, where, financial struggles notwithstanding, we continue to provide public healthcare for all. Sure, it ain't perfect, but I'm not sure I understand this business of active and passive rights -- here's another way of looking at it: Did you EARN those rights? Or were you just lucky enough to be born into a situation where you got to have "rights" and priviledges?

It seems to me (but maybe I'm just a leftie Canuck) that those of us with unearned priviledge and power have a moral obligation to share the wealth a little with those who happened -- through no fault of their own -- to be born into situations where they don't get various "rights" and priviledges.

How does this stance align me with Nazis?

 

[pauper]

Cabrera?

Yes, I thought the same. I hope not as if it is she's clearly interested in another man.

 

[germano]

Here is the thing:

You have two people from complete opposite ends of the political spectrum. Both with first hand experience with dictatorships. And both are telling you that you are now living under a dictator. This should scare the crap out of any American in here.

Maybe that's why they moved to Argentina ...

 

[Ries]

Calling individuals who point out Obama's lies "haters" don't hate him. They love the truth.

Again, the Argentine government does not provide no cost health care to all of it's citizens. Many Argentines chose to pay for their own health coverage and, at the same time are paying the cost for those who do use the government services.

Any Argentine Citizen (or any tourist who is a citizen of any other country) can walk into a public hospital and get health care.

Technically, what you said is true- the Argentine government does not, actually, provide health care to all its citizens, because some choose to pay for private health care. But it would, under the law.

The fact remains- socialist universal health care is available to anybody in Argentina who wants it- I know several non-citizens who have taken advantage of this, and paid zero.

Not the case in the USA- so the USA is still better for libertarians.

Add in all the other categories where the USA is more right wing than any other industrialized nation--
For instance, nowhere in the world has as "liberal" (in the dictionary definition of the word) gun laws as the USA. Certainly not Argentina.
Yemen, and Iraq, its true, have higher per capita gun ownership than the USA, but in neither is there a constitutional right to gun ownership, and most Yemenis and Iraqis are actually breaking the laws, they just arent enforced.

Again, the USA is better for libertarians.

The USA still has the lowest individual and corporate actual tax rates paid (not "nominal" tax rates that nobody pays) of any civilized country.

Again, the USA is better for Libertarians.

Argentina has much higher Union membership rates, more restrictive labor laws, more social safety nets, and in general, much more government intervention into business.

Again, the USA is better for Libertarians.

Why would any Ex-pat with a lean to the right want to live in leftist socialist country like Argentina?

 

[ajoknoblauch]

Any Argentine Citizen (or any tourist who is a citizen of any other country) can walk into a public hospital and get health care.

Technically, what you said is true- the Argentine government does not, actually, provide health care to all its citizens, because some choose to pay for private health care. But it would, under the law.

The fact remains- socialist universal health care is available to anybody in Argentina who wants it- I know several non-citizens who have taken advantage of this, and paid zero.

Not the case in the USA- so the USA is still better for libertarians.

Add in all the other categories where the USA is more right wing than any other industrialized nation--
For instance, nowhere in the world has as "liberal" (in the dictionary definition of the word) gun laws as the USA. Certainly not Argentina.
Yemen, and Iraq, its true, have higher per capita gun ownership than the USA, but in neither is there a constitutional right to gun ownership, and most Yemenis and Iraqis are actually breaking the laws, they just arent enforced.

Again, the USA is better for libertarians.

The USA still has the lowest individual and corporate actual tax rates paid (not "nominal" tax rates that nobody pays) of any civilized country.

Again, the USA is better for Libertarians.

Argentina has much higher Union membership rates, more restrictive labor laws, more social safety nets, and in general, much more government intervention into business.

Again, the USA is better for Libertarians.

Why would any Ex-pat with a lean to the right want to live in leftist socialist country like Argentina?

Argentina is not a leftist socialist country. It is a Peronist patronage state.

 

[GS_Dirtboy]

Allow me to weigh in as a Canadian, where, financial struggles notwithstanding, we continue to provide public healthcare for all. Sure, it ain't perfect, but I'm not sure I understand this business of active and passive rights -- here's another way of looking at it: Did you EARN those rights? Or were you just lucky enough to be born into a situation where you got to have "rights" and priviledges?

It seems to me (but maybe I'm just a leftie Canuck) that those of us with unearned priviledge and power have a moral obligation to share the wealth a little with those who happened -- through no fault of their own -- to be born into situations where they don't get various "rights" and priviledges.

How does this stance align me with Nazis?

I believe that you are confusing rights and moral obligation / duty. Those are two separate and distinct ideas.

Rights, both passive and active, apply to all peoples of a given country or society (if the law is applied equally). The point that was made is that the legal system of Argentina is very different on how it interprets rights of citizens vs. how the US, or Canada, interprets rights.

Moral obligation / duty is the concept that those with more privilege by birth or circumstance, or other means outside of one's direct control have an obligation or duty to assist those who have less privilege that is outside of their direct control.

We are really talking about social justice which could be a thread or two of its own.

 

[Ries]

Argentina is not a leftist socialist country. It is a Peronist patronage state.

I use the phrase in the current, "tea party" use of the words.
Anything to the left of Barry Goldwater, and, indeed, Goldwater himself, is "leftist and socialist".
My point being that the entire world is to the left of the USA.

Obviously, the actual politics of Argentina, or Sweden, or Japan, or Italy, or Germany, or Canada, or Great Britain, are a great deal more complicated.
However, the fact that most of them have actual socialist political parties, with representation in government, and may have real live communist elected officials, makes them far to the left of the USA.

Obama, by international standards, is center right. Only in the USA would anyone consider him even vaguely left wing, much less "socialist".

 

[ghost]

Cabrera?

Your are sadistic. I thought somebody drove a stake through it's heart a long time ago. But the scent is in the air.

 

[John.St]

You have 22 years active duty within the special forces? Was this Army? Perhaps I mis-interpreted your comment, but I operated under very strict accountability rules of whom I engaged and when. That went the same for my colleagues on the ground in urban zones.

When do you get to decide who lives and who dies by your own discretion? I know firsthand that there were a lot of times the enemy got away and we were exposed because we couldn't verify that they were not civilians in the moment.

If you that much active duty time then we were probably in at the same time (unless you are over 60) and possibly in the same theater.

Yes it was army, but it's been more than 20 years since I retired (I am closer to 70 than to 60). Sniper and demolition specialist.

ROE in those days were normally quite simple. 1. Survive. 2. Armed alien personnel are enemies. 3. When encountering an enemy it's your decision, nobody there to advise.

Of course, in the end the decision was made by the politicians. If not at war, killing people was forbidden.