perry, apreciate the response. gotta say a 6.5 million property went to auction recently with no reserve. it sold at 4.5 million. either they did not care about a 2 million loss or they needed the money. real estate is driven by different conditions and sometimes hard to understand. timing on the sale??? the auctions on the courthouse steps, because of the volumn, and purchased site unseen with sometimes a 4 hour window to inspect before purchase, was crazy. money boys wanted control and volumn consumption. the houses could not have been lower in price over the long hall. whats more interesting to me is when the process repeats itself, and it will, how much new product can they absorb and get the increased rents they are getting today. or do they exaserbated the problem of too much product on the allready stressed market. my guess is the rents remain the same and they consume more. i read something the other day that 57% of mortgages are from private sources, the rest from the banks. just want to try to figure out how to play the next down turn.