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I see Futbol Para Todos as a bribe, particularly to the poor people, who are relatively ignorant of many things, including economics and where money actually comes from, subtle power plays, and so on. It can be a relatively power thing to successfully strike at that which makes such a great importance to all people within a society when subverting their attention or their will, or whatever else.

Particularly when it doesn't really having the possible effect of backfiring against those in power in some fashion - i.e., pick something important to the people, a symbol that everyone can rally around, and make sure it's not something actually important to the well-being of particularly those in most need of a better life. Because that would most likely be really expensive. Or would mean that reforms would have to happen related to corruption at all levels to really make a difference. But Futbol is not going to have some kind of negative effect on the government if it somehow backfires.

It distracts the easily distractable and impedes those who would oppose those in power, those who have the access to power to grant such "boons" and make themselves look good to those who really matter to them, as far as supporters - the poor who get freebies, the part of the middle and (new) upper class who actually profit from the current government and/or its policies, being in power. It also makes those more fortunate assuage their consciences somewhat by giving them the feeling "Che, dale, hasta los pobres tienen acceso al futbol. Que mas queres?"

They don't need to bribe the middle and upper class who benefit from them being in power with futbol. There are various ways they've done that. Futbol is one of the many bribes intended for the poor (after all, it takes a lot of bribes of "free shit" to get people to laccept the kind of lives many live). Anyone else just shrugs and accepts the "free shit" and doesn't let it affect their political outlook as much as it would tend to with the poor. They're used to it anyway.

The whole idea that you and many others seem to have that business is some kind of evil thing while the government's shit smells like roses is absolutely beyond me. Yeah, businesses can do some pretty crappy things. They are made up of humans. Just like governments are. But businesses are so much more honest. They tell you, straight up, we're in this to make money. They may get a bit pushy and even do illegal things at times - I accept that.

But what does the government do? Full of cronyism and and patronage and corruption (and not just this government, I'm not just picking on Argentina). They are in it for the power and the benefits. But they lie about it. they do illegal things all the time, or justify it by making it legal - for them. But they can't tell the people that. They bribe the people in all manner of ways. Some may be beneficial. Some may seem beneficial but really contribute to the rot that they claim they are trying to fix. And they accumulate power and wealth with the force of arms while claiming to be concerned for and watch over each and every one of us in a fair and just manner - something that I thought only God was supposed to be able to do.

That's what I think about Futbol para todos and a state-run airline in a country that can't afford the expense while large numbers of people live somewhat hard lives, for no other reason than to keep the "promisers" in power.
 
I dont wanna discuss, believe me, but I still can not understand the argument people here on theis board have to FUTBOL PARA TODOS.

Soccer is very important to argentines. I rather have it for free, by this, I mean not paying a cent, and this is awesome to the poor (who give to soccer more importance than me) than paying to a company equally mafious to the government.

So, one is an entretainment for free, for the people to enjoy, especially the poor, and the other is the enrichment of a private company, sucking working class money.

Two clear options.

Exactly. Cristina knows, for instance, that subsidized soccer is the optimum solution for the desperately poor Qom: http://www.theguardi...digenous-leader
 
I dont wanna discuss, believe me, but I still can not understand the argument people here on theis board have to FUTBOL PARA TODOS.

My argument, as I explained here several times, is quite clear.

Futbol is very important to argentines. I rather have it for free, by this, I mean not paying a cent, and this is awesome to the poor (who give to futbol more importance than me) than paying to a company equally mafious to the government.

So, one is an entretainment for free, for the people to enjoy, especially the poor, and the other is the enrichment of a private company, sucking working class money.

Two clear options.
ENERGÍA ELÉCTRICA PARA TODOS
 
Cristina is too busy fighting "Colonialism" in Las Malvinas to fight it in Formosa!

Perhaps the Qom should declare independence, or at least petition to become a British Overseas Territory. After all, Cristina says they don't belong in Buenos Aires.
 
But what does the government do? Full of cronyism and and patronage and corruption (and not just this government, I'm not just picking on Argentina). They are in it for the power and the benefits. But they lie about it. they do illegal things all the time, or justify it by making it legal - for them. But they can't tell the people that. They bribe the people in all manner of ways. Some may be beneficial. Some may seem beneficial but really contribute to the rot that they claim they are trying to fix. And they accumulate power and wealth with the force of arms while claiming to be concerned for and watch over each and every one of us in a fair and just manner - something that I thought only God was supposed to be able to do.

That's what I think about Futbol para todos and a state-run airline in a country that can't afford the expense while large numbers of people live somewhat hard lives, for no other reason than to keep the "promisers" in power.

I agree with you that Soccer for Everybody is a fraud, but nobody should expect justice from an equally fraudulent supreme being.
 
Argentines also like dulce de leche, fernet, mate, carne, ... - why not give them that too if everything is 'for free'? We don't want that evil companies sell it to them and suck the working class money, do we?

this is what we call chicana, cause one thing is to produce a good and expropiate, and other is to approach a service, subject to a mafious agreement with AFA. Your option by default is that a company should have the futbol, and not the people, as it used to be, as it must be.
 
this is what we call chicana, cause one thing is to produce a good and expropiate, and other is to approach a service, subject to a mafious agreement with AFA. Your option by default is that a company should have the futbol, and not the people, as it used to be, as it must be.

Precisely. Why have a Mafioso agreement with the private soccer scammers when you can have one with the government?
 
Matias. Any company can be 'mafious' whether it creates a good or provides a service. And everything costs money, be it a good or a service, and that money gets paid by someone, be it the consumer or the government - and therefore everybody.

Try to see if you man make a coherent argument - without using words like mafia, which could apply to anyone (football companies, mate companies, or even airlines, state-owned or otherwise) -

regarding why it's normal for the government to pay for football, instead of the private sector taking care of that for money,
and why you don't believe - for now? - that the government should also pay for mate para todos, instead of the private sector taking care of that for money.

In other words, why should I have to pay for your watching football, even though I never watched a game in my life and possibly never will,
and why shouldn't I then also have to pay for your free mate/carne.
 
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