Argentina Ranked #160 In World For Economic Freedom

[jp]

I find that to be a very strong indicator. I am surprised that you see no correlation.

Its a strong indicator that pregnant women have access to healthcare, as do young infants. Its not a strong indicator that for the the rest of the child or mothers life they have access to healthcare for all of the other health problems they may encounter later on in life.

Regarding education - basic literacy isn't much of an indicator of an education system. Most developed countries demonstrate high levels of literacy. That doesn't mean that their education systems are equivalent.

 

[camberiu]

Its a strong indicator that pregnant women have access to healthcare, as do young infants. Its not a strong indicator that for the the rest of the child or mothers life they have access to healthcare for all of the other health problems they may encounter later on in life.

Really? You don't find life expectancy to be an indicator of that? I wonder what is a function of then.

Regarding education - basic literacy isn't much of an indicator of an education system. Most developed countries demonstrate high levels of literacy. That doesn't mean that their education systems are equivalent.

Seems a very good indicator to me that the statement bellow is not true
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]"[/background][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]In Chile you have a lot of population excluded, without any decent access to health or education"[/background]
AND
that Chile does a better job teaching its children to read and write than Argentina.

 

[jp]

Really? You don't find life expectancy to be an indicator of that? I wonder what is a function of then.

There are inumerable genetic and life style factors that determine life expectancy. Access to healthcare, and the quality of healthcare available isn't the ultimate determining factor of how long you live. Japan doesn't have the longest life expectancy because it has the best access to quality healthcare.

Again, most developed countries have life expectancy in the high 70s. The fact that on average people live well into their 70s and have basic literacy is an indicator of a developed country.

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]Seems a very good indicator to me that the statement bellow is not true[/background]
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]"[/background][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]In Chile you have a lot of population excluded, without any decent access to health or education"[/background]

Attaining basic literacy isn't evidence that there is decent access to education. Most children attain basic literacy in primary school.

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]AND[/background]
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]that Chiles does a better job teaching its children to read and write than Argentina.[/background]

Maybe thats what is suggests. Maybe it suggests that Chile's education is superior to Spain based on the same dataset you provided, if literacy is to be used as the ultimate measure of the strengths of a nation's education system. Perhaps Chile's stricter immigration controls enables their education system to guarantee a level of national literacy which is unobtainable in Argentina, given their open immigration policy towards their neighbours, all of whom have significantly lower literacy levels. Who knows? Basic literacy at 98% doesn't exactly provide us with a wealth of information about the education level of the citizens of a country.

 

[Joe]

It would be useful to see some charts here of Argentina vs Chile . GDP per capita, median income, total debt, etc. over the last several years to see the trends.

 

[Matiasba]

camberiu, if you have a huge inequality, what does that mean to you?
To me, that means that you have big differences between classes, and what is that if not exclusion?
As I said before, one of the two ways to measure poverty is not to take the absoluts, but to see the distance with the richest.

Just asking, cause thats the way I think

 

[PhilipDT]

Holy Hell JP!

How about instead of just rejecting each and every clear and logical cited-data supported point that camberiu makes, you instead show us why you think that access to education and health care is inferior in Chile.

 

[camberiu]

Holy Hell JP!

How about instead of just rejecting each and every clear and logical cited-data supported point that camberiu makes, you instead show us why you think that access to education and health care is inferior in Chile.

Nevermind PhilipDT. He keeps changing the goal post. First he wanted me to how that the statement "[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]"[/background][background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]In Chile you have a lot of population excluded, without any decent access to health or education" [/background] was incorrect. Now he talks about levels of education being equal between the two countries, etc...He basically does not want to be wrong, so we will keep dancing around the issue. That is fine with me.

 

[camberiu]

camberiu, if you have a huge inequality, what does that mean to you?
To me, that means that you have big differences between classes, and what is that if not exclusion?
As I said before, one of the two ways to measure poverty is not to take the absoluts, but to see the distance with the richest.

Just asking, cause thats the way I think

It depends if we are talking about zero sum game or not. If we are dealing with a zero sum game, you are correct. But economic growth is not a zero sum game. For example, China today is much more unequal than it was back in 1962, during the cultural revolution. Yet, I much rather be be a poor person in China today than back in 1962, when over 20 million Chinese literary starved to death.
Also, the United States is munch more unequal than Mongolia. Would you rather be a poor person in the USA or in Mongolia? I'd choose the more unequal USA for sure.

 

[camberiu]

It would be useful to see some charts here of Argentina vs Chile . GDP per capita, median income, total debt, etc. over the last several years to see the trends.

Remember that by doctoring the inflation data, the K government completely distorted the GDP statistics. Therefore, such comparison might be a lot less useful than you think.

 

[Matiasba]

Thats why exists an absolut way too. The poverty line is to have an international standard, ie you need some x quantity of dollars per day. That is fixed. In that way, as I said in the post I wrote to trennod, Chile has better indicators than Argentina. (I said a lot of good things of Chile in that post that have been erased) --> 16 % for 25-30% of Argentina.


To me, poverty always has to be taken in a relationship, because it is totally dynamic.



Back to Chile, do you think that these excluded -since the inequality, concede me that they are excluded, at least, of the beneffits the upper classes have- are excluded only in terms of income but not in health and education?

Do you know of the three years of student protests and rebelions? That is because they have an exclusion model!!