Changes for "permatourists"

[Sleuth]

I was planning on just renewing my tourist visa by making the Colonia trip every few months, but this new law is obviously altering/destroying that option. Could someone please explain what the implications of this law are for someone like me who is planning on trying to live and work in BA for like 9 months?

This is all just speculation at the moment. No one knows if or when this will actually be enforced. I have yet to meet anyone who was told not to come back into the country after leaving on a tourist visa, no matter how many times it was stamped.

However, MizzMarr posted that she was, and I'd love to hear more about what actually happened to her.

 

[A&A]

Anyway, with what's happening in this southern state of the US, if the 2000 Argentinean illegals are thrown out of the country in a short time, very likely here, one year away from the elections, Argentina would do the same for a bunch of US expatourists.

I promise you that what's happening in Arizona and southern border states relate dot immigration is most definitely not in response to any illegal Argentinian immigration problem.

Now if some Argentine wins the U.S. Tennis Open, there will be blood!!!

 

[LAtoBA]

Anyway, with what's happening in this southern state of the US, if the 2000 Argentinean illegals are thrown out of the country in a short time, very likely here, one year away from the elections, Argentina would do the same for a bunch of US expatourists.

Political fiction ? You decide

The problem I see with that is if the Argentine illegals are thrown out it is because of state statute, not a federal one. A law which the Obama administration has made very clear they do not agree with. So I'm not so sure "reciprocity" in this case would apply. Usually has more to do with federal laws.

 

[French jurist]

The problem I see with that is if the Argentine illegals are thrown out it is because of state statute, not a federal one. A law which the Obama administration has made very clear they do not agree with. So I'm not so sure "reciprocity" in this case would apply. Usually has more to do with federal laws.

I know that of course, but like in every country demagogy is very useful when elections are coming by. Anyway I hope everything will be fine for everybody in both countries.

 

[MizzMarr]

This is all just speculation at the moment. No one knows if or when this will actually be enforced. I have yet to meet anyone who was told not to come back into the country after leaving on a tourist visa, no matter how many times it was stamped.

However, MizzMarr posted that she was, and I'd love to hear more about what actually happened to her.

I just posted my experience in more detail in the aforementioned thread. As to the person who wants to come here for 9months, I say don't sweat it! Just don't cross the border out/into Argentina more than one time (that's one time additional to your first entry).

 

[Hellek]

I recommend to use busy points for re-entering the country.
Just a comparison (I arrived May 6th so was not in danger):
Entry from Colonia in July (handled by customs officials from both countries sitting next to each other, in Colonia port): Ferry supposed to leave at 16:30 but it was almost 16:40 when it was my turn with still a queue behind me. They did not really check my stamps because they were in a hurry eventhough I don´t think that they feel responsible for Buquebus´s puntuality.

Entry from Chile in August (in Prov. Santa Cruz): Border crossing in the middle of nowhere, bored officials who have nothing to do. Busdriver handed in sheets of papers from all Argentines (or MERCOSUR in general), subsequently only 3 persons (including me) were presented to the customs officials in person. Checked my passport for minutes, looked up my data on the computer, showed it to a colleague who re-checked it. If something would have been wrong with my passport, they would have probably kept me there just to have somebody to talk to because playing Truco with the colleagues gets boring after a few months.

If you are from a country which is generally treated well at customs (i.e. Austrian) I recommend busy places like Colonia or Ezeiza. Eventhough they are more experienced and well-informed there, I think they don´t care that much. On the other side, on the boring places they are happy about any irregularity they find because the only other activity they have is counting sheep (in Santa Cruz this can be taken literally).

Apart from that, always be polite, greet them with a "buenos dias" a "buenas tardes" and a nice smile and be well-dressed for your travel and rather submissive than arrogant.

This is not based on inside sources, just on few experiences. What do you think about it?

Either way, when you are subject to their benevolence, you can always have bad luck. I am only talking about reducing the probability of having bad luck.

 

[sesamosinsal]

I'm a non-Mexican Unitedstater, and I crossed today for a day trip in Colonia. I got my new 90 day stamp without any problems. It is worth noting, however, that I never overstay 180 days out of the year. (2 months in 2008, 4 months in 2009) I have a ton of stamps, though.

 

[Bajo_cero2]

The investor visa...AR$1,500,000 .

Anyways, if any of you permatourits want to get legal, getting a rentista visa is a lot easier than it sounds. It can be done with some careful financial planning and structuring. If anyone is interested in exploring this, PM me.

With the new rules, for rentista you have to prove you have savings for u$s 24.000 and they will give you a 1 year temporary rentista visa.

 

[sesamosinsal]

Apart from that, always be polite, greet them with a "buenos dias" a "buenas tardes" and a nice smile and be well-dressed for your travel and rather submissive than arrogant.

This is not based on inside sources, just on few experiences. What do you think about it?

Either way, when you are subject to their benevolence, you can always have bad luck. I am only talking about reducing the probability of having bad luck.

I think this is very important. In Colonia or Montevideo, immigration has always been extremely kind to me, and I think that's only because I'm extremely kind to them. You really have to drop the rude, Disco cashier attitude, in my opinion, and go beyond saying just "Hola." While it really doesn't matter in Capital, I think it might make a big difference in this situation.

Last year, one of the immigration ladies even told told me, "buen viaje, mi amor." Sweet, no?

 

[steveinbsas]

The problem I see with that is if the Argentine illegals are thrown out it is because of state statute, not a federal one. A law which the Obama administration has made very clear they do not agree with. So I'm not so sure "reciprocity" in this case would apply. Usually has more to do with federal laws.

The Arizona statute did not authorize anyone at the state level to throw illegals out of the country, only to ask about an individual's immigration status with the intent of enforcing existing federal laws. If the Arizona law included the power to detain the "illegals" it isn't being enforced. A federal judge has already enjoined that portion of the law and no one is about to be deported from the US because of the now "crippled" statute.