Obama And Raúl Castro Thank Pope For

[French jurist]

• A few torture cases in Cuba...? yeahh
• Cuba did not invade other countries but funded revolutions and guerrillas all over LATAM

Maybe I'm past redemption, but I guess the alleged torture cases in Cuba are well documented (and not only alleged).

I'd be delighted to find good sources about that.

Yes Cuba funded Revolutions (or counter ones), like everybody at the time (so they should be the only ones to blame?).

 

[dennisr]

RepubliKLANS have spoken. Every time we think we are turning the screws on someone, the only people we screw is ourselves. If a Mandela can find a way to move on without retribution, why in the hell cannot the USA? Sad state of affairs.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-12-18/rubio-leads-republican-charge-to-block-obama-s-cuba-policy

 

[Rich One]

Yes Cuba funded Revolutions (or counter ones), like everybody at the time (so they sh ould be the only ones to blame?).

Back to square ONE ... If Other countries did it why blame Cuba.... (I VOS) B) You win call it a draw :wub:

 

[ghost]

It's not an Y VOS mentality.

First, Cuba has not attacked any country since Castro took power (I think?).
There have been a few torture cases, but they don't force feed people detained without trial by the ass (sorry for my language, what's terrible is the act itself).

The idea of "Evil Communists" sounds so 1960's. The good guys & bad guys were OK in the 1950 Cowboy movies but the world has become very complex.

You talk about freedom of the press, but now the US are actively supporting Al Qaeda (?!). And the US citizens don't seem to react (thanks to the press again).

Castrist regime is not my cup of tea, but if they were to be lined up against the wall as you say, then the whole Bush family should be tortured, cut into pieces, burned and the remainings given to pigs in this case. (Same applis for Rumsfeld & all the crooks around Bush Jr). Too bad GWB was not catched early on in another country to be trialed btw (he had to cancel some trips at the last minute for that... fugitive?).

My comment applies to France too (although if Bush had been president of France, he would have been sent to jail for sure) & many other countries supposed to show the way.

Now, now Frenchie. Last time I checked, France was no virgin.

 

[Jaredberryman]

Maybe I'm past redemption, but I guess the alleged torture cases in Cuba are well documented (and not only alleged).

I'd be delighted to find good sources about that.

Yes Cuba funded Revolutions (or counter ones), like everybody at the time (so they should be the only ones to blame?).

I know of a guy that flew a plane and dropped bibles into Cuba. His plane crashed. He was taken to their jail and tortured for years. For distributing Bibles. This is all documented. Castro is disgusting and the regime is evil. Let's call a spade a spade here.

 

[Matt84]

I know of a guy that flew a plane and dropped bibles into Cuba. His plane crashed. He was taken to their jail and tortured for years. For distributing Bibles. This is all documented. Castro is disgusting and the regime is evil. Let's call a spade a spade here.

The thing is that in the context of things, we are beginning to see that historically no republic has escaped from the sanguinary excesses of revolution. In the case of the USA we can ponder that, unlike in Cuba, the revolution has never stopped.

 

[Joe]

In November 1975, on the eve of Angola's independence, Cuba launched a large-scale military intervention in support of the leftist People's Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA) against United States-backed interventions by South Africa and Zaire in support of two other liberation movements competing for power in the country, the National Liberation Front of Angola (FNLA) and the National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA).[sup][1][/sup][sup][2][/sup] By the end of 1975 the Cuban military in Angola numbered more than 25,000 troops.[sup][3][/sup]Following the retreat of Zaire and South Africa, Cuban forces remained in Angola to support the MPLA government against UNITA in the continuing Angolan Civil War.

http://en.wikipedia....ntion_in_Angola

 

[Matt84]

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Che_Guevara#Che_Guevara.27s_racist_remarks

 

[Joe]

It seems like this thread has turned into an apology for Cuba by way of saying, well look, the USA is worse.

I would agree that the USA is worse (in terms of inflicting unnecessary suffering on the world) but that doesn't excuse the dictatorship and economic mismanagement of Cuba. The Cuban regime mostly inflicts suffering upon the Cuban people - whereas the USA causes suffering in every corner of the world - but how does that justify the heinous actions of the Cuban government?

And please don't tell me that Cuba's problems are because of the embargo - only folks in the PCC say that and even they don't believe it.

And why do we have all these apologists for the Castro regime and none (except for Matias) of the CFK government? At least CFK was elected. Could it be because you don't have to live in Cuba? And maybe since you've never traveled there you still harbor delusions that it is a Socialist Paradise with palm trees - I've been there and it ain't...

 

[Matt84]

As Johnny pointed out, at least Cubans are not forced to watch Jimmy Fallon when taking a taxi in Havana. You cannot say the same about New Yorkers.
There's a tipping point after which things become upside down. I am realizing we're way past it.