Springtime Bolivariana . Students Revolt

[Jaredberryman]

After reading the articles that Napoleon posted, it sounds like this whole thing is a cocktail of nastiness: left wing violent marxists and leninists, perhaps some element with the U.S. embassy, drug dealers from all over the world, a corrupt and inept government, and wealthy political interests. Sounds like Argentina on steroids. I doubt that even if the chavista administration is ousted, that Venezuela is going to see any improvements over the next few years. But what we do know to be true that there is at least some violence from police and the government towards citizens, incited by the government or not. And we also know that the right to private property is not respected in Venezuela at all. Those two things are facts we know.

 

[Rich One]

If Quebracho and lefty groups protest and do piquetes against Shell or Coto it's a legitimate popular democratic exp<b></b>ression. If the 40% plus opposition in Venezuela protests its a golpista and destabilizing conspirators CIA inspired.

 

[jackbower]

there is nothing peaceful about these protests. They arent even protests. A protest last for a day or two, people express their discontent and go home and during the next elections, they vote their interests. These tools are actually trying to topple a popular democratically elected government through the use of violence, force, misinformation and propaganda from the usual cast of characters. Nothing new here, if the average easily manipulated armchair politico had a memory longer than the 24 hour news cycle, theyd recall this has been going on in most if not all pro Russian anti Nato countries in the past couple of years. Its a simple strategy the " anti government flash mobs ". Just imagine if this happened in the US. How long would it take the current administration and their propaganda news lackeys to label armed violent molotov cocktail throwing " peaceful protestors " terrorists? If you need a minute to think about it, youre clearly one of the dummies in the equation.

 

[Gringoboy]

If Quebracho and lefty groups protest and do piquetes against Shell or Coto it's a legitimate popular democratic exp<b></b>ression.

In who's opinion?

 

[scotttswan]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/02/venezuelas-net-crackdown-escalates

Those right wing capatalistas at the Electronic Frontier Foundation talk about the freedom of speech crackdown online.

 

[gusgutier]

Lets assume for a second that we would have a situation here in Argentina where you cannot buy basic goods like milk, sugar, flour, meat, ... anymore. Furthermore, the crime in BsAs goes up through the roof and the likelihood of getting shot is as high as you get pickpocket now. What would happen on the streets? Would Argentines protest? And if so, would we blame it on the CIA because they are creating unrest to implement a pro US government?
I'm not implying that the US is neutral, nor that they don't support opposition protests through back channels in Venezuela. However, just labeling the situation as an attempt to induce chaos in order to putsch the government is very dangerous and ignorant to the people that use their democratic rights to protest peacefully.

December 19th 2001 ? The day before De La Rua flew away and a president democratically elected was removed ? I don´t imply CIA was involved but that the strategy works

 

[Napoleon]

^ ^ Exactly ^ ^

Read the Pan Am Post interview with the police officer.

Watch this CNN en Español interview from the Dominican Republic with the Venezuelan ambassador to the DR. (en castellano) This guy is am embarrassment to the entire diplomatic community.

http://www.lapatilla.com/site/2014/02/19/reportera-dominicana-suspende-entrevista-al-embajador-de-venezuela-en-republica-dominicana-video/

 

[thorsten]

December 19th 2001 ? The day before De La Rua flew away and a president democratically elected was removed ? I don´t imply CIA was involved but that the strategy works

Obviously it works. And obviously the US would like to see another government in Venezuela. And obviously they don't care too much about democracy, but economic interest, i.e., oil. But does it change the fact that there are valid reasons for Venezuelans to go to the street and protest against the incredibly high murder rates and the situation that they cannot even buy stuff for their basic needs?
I guess no one of us has a clear picture of what exactly is going on as one cannot trust the public media as well as external media as both are used by the government and by the opposition. But its pretty ignorant and "black or white" thinking to argue that the situation is just another coup like in the past and the protests which now are escalating are induced and have nothing to do with the situation of the people living there.

 

[Napoleon]

I guess no one of us has a clear picture of what exactly is going on as one cannot trust the public media as well as external media as both are used by the government and by the opposition. But its pretty ignorant and "black or white" thinking to argue that the situation is just another coup like in the past and the protests which now are escalating are induced and have nothing to do with the situation of the people living there.

Well since all opposing internal media outlets have been shut down and wireless communication is heavily restricted at the moment, it certainly id difficult for anyone to get a clear picture of anything.

This is the same closed media country that received an award from the University of the Province of Buenos AIres (I believe) back in ~2009 or so... not too long after the suitcase of money was found coming from Venezuela and Cristina & Hugo started visiting each other more frequently, because who's going to dare check the baggage of a head of state?

 

[Rich One]

there is nothing peaceful about these protests. They arent even protests. A protest last for a day or two, people express their discontent and go home and during the next elections, they vote their interests. These tools are actually trying to topple a popular democratically elected government through the use of violence, force, misinformation and propaganda from the usual cast of characters. Nothing new here, if the average easily manipulated armchair politico had a memory longer than the 24 hour news cycle, theyd recall this has been going on in most if not all pro Russian anti Nato countries in the past couple of years. Its a simple strategy the " anti government flash mobs ". Just imagine if this happened in the US. How long would it take the current administration and their propaganda news lackeys to label armed violent molotov cocktail throwing " peaceful protestors " terrorists? If you need a minute to think about it, youre clearly one of the dummies in the equation.

It Boils down to whom would you like to lead Venezuela? Maduro a former bus Driver or Leo Lopez a Harvard Graduate. It's a no brainer.