Are The Italians To Blame For Argentina's Demise

[ajoknoblauch]

Good question here might be how the Chileans manage to be nearly corruption-free - best in Latin America and nearly as good as European and North American countries - while Argentina ranks with Albania, Libya and the Palestinian Authority (in one memorable recent year, according to Transparency International).

 

[Rich One]

About education, I dont guide myself from indicators but from the protests we have in these past years, (do you know Camila Vallejo?) Big protests, riots, thousand and thousand of people protesting noy one day or two, but years!!! Something must be wrong!!!
Lots of chileans come here to study, much more than argentines go to chile to study, so the educational university system is clearly better in Argentina.

Mati .. will not dwell on the motivations of communist Comrade Camila and her Cuban boy friend...

Why do Chilean college students come to Argentina? Major and only reason ; Because its cheaper ..!! Better who knows??
If college tuition was Free in Chile, would they come here?
Your conclusion is not consistent (More Chileans Come here to study Thus the entire Argentina educational system is Better... )

Hundreds of US students attend Medical Schools in Cuba, because they could not afford the US cost or were not accepted.
Could someone conclude that the entire Educational System in Cuba is better

Cheers

 

[Matiasba]

well, they wouldnt come here to study if they think the education here is bad!!
Universities here are very good, ones of the bests of Latam.

I meant the university system is better, not the entire educational system (that could be, I dont know).

The cost of study is an important variable. That talks of the educational system itself, which is, or must be, everywhere designed to cover the citizens educational needs, not to make money.

Cubas health and education are one of the bests in Latin America, and the range of educational policies (because of the cost) is admirable. If a potential student from a US university goes to study to Cuba, it is a loss for the US educational system and an achievement for cuban universities. In that case, we can say universities in Cuba are better.

 

[Rich One]

well, they wouldnt come here to study if they think the education here is bad!!
Universities here are very good, ones of the bests of Latam.

I meant the university system is better, not the entire educational system (that could be, I dont know).

The cost of study is an important variable. That talks of the educational system itself, which is, or must be, everywhere designed to cover the citizens educational needs, not to make money.

Cubas health and education are one of the bests in Latin America, and the range of educational policies (because of the cost) is admirable. If a potential student from a US university goes to study to Cuba, it is a loss for the US educational system and an achievement for cuban universities. In that case, we can say universities in Cuba are better.

The conclusions aren't logical.[sup]*[/sup]

1. Would US medical students go to Cuba if they could afford to study in the US....!! NOOOOOOOOOOO..
2. Would Chilean students come here if it wasn't Free...!! (no way,! leaving their homes and families)

You needn't answer perhaps your response will not be logical..? :wub:



A syllogism[sup]*[/sup] is a kind of logical argument in which one proposition (the conclusion) is inferred from two or more others (the premises) of a specific form

 

[nlaruccia]

I was having this very conversation with a group of Argentine friends at an asado that turned into a fierce debate.They all agreed on one thing, the cultural, moral, ethical, and economic problems Argentina has go back several hundred years when Alto Peru was the major capital in South America and Argentina was ruled by uneducated, corrupt viceroyalty. The Italian immigration was never taken into consideration.They believed the root to the problem goes way back further than the Italian immigration and Peron.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

I was having this very conversation with a group of Argentine friends at an asado that turned into a fierce debate.They all agreed on one thing, the cultural, moral, ethical, and economic problems Argentina has go back several hundred years when Alto Peru was the major capital in South America and Argentina was ruled by uneducated, corrupt viceroyalty. The Italian immigration was never taken into consideration.They believed the root to the problem goes way back further than the Italian immigration and Peron.

Smuggling and corruption were common when Buenos Aires was at the end of a mercantile supply line that extended from Spain to Lima and then into the backwaters - and until creation of the Viceroyalty of the River Plate in the late 18th century, Buenos Aires was indeed a backwater.

 

[camberiu]

well, they wouldnt come here to study if they think the education here is bad!!
Universities here are very good, ones of the bests of Latam.

I meant the university system is better, not the entire educational system (that could be, I don't know).

According to this rank, of the top 25 universities in Latin America, Argentina was able to secure the #11, #20, #22 and #24 slots respectively. Not an amazing showing by any means, specially considering how much Argentinians like to brag about their university system. Chile on the other hand was able to get the #2, #4, #9, #10, slots.

 

[ajoknoblauch]

According to this rank, of the top 25 universities in Latin America, Argentina was able to secure the #11, #20, #22 and #24 slots respectively. Not an amazing showing by any means, specially considering how much Argentinians like to brag about their university system. Chile on the other hand was able to get the #2, #4, #9, #10, slots.

The big problems are the open admissions policy, letting students hang around for decades without getting degrees, and extreme politicization.

 

[French jurist]

According to this rank, of the top 25 universities in Latin America, Argentina was able to secure the #11, #20, #22 and #24 slots respectively. Not an amazing showing by any means, specially considering how much Argentinians like to brag about their university system. Chile on the other hand was able to get the #2, #4, #9, #10, slots.

At the links game, here's mine
http://america-latina.blog.lemonde.fr/2011/10/05/l%E2%80%99universite-de-sao-paulo-en-tete-du-premier-classement-latino-americain/
Chile & Argentina rank the same in the top 200 (25 each)

Anyway, it could well be that Chile's educative system might be better, but the explanation is that Argentina suffered like 5 coups during the last 70 years, and those juntas were not too much in favour of Education. Chile suffered less coups (Pinochet did not favour Education). There were a few authoritarian regims but they mostly favoured Education (kind of militaries with progressist minds).
I'm sure it's possible to find other rankings online too.

As for Argentina right now, a lot of money is invested in Education. It's rather a good thing.

 

[camberiu]

I'm sure it's possible to find other rankings online too.

As for Argentina right now, a lot of money is invested in Education. It's rather a good thing.

I am not very found of school rankings myself, but here I hear so much about how amazingly superior the Argentinian university system is, that it is nice to have some outside reference for a reality check, even if it is something as arbitrary as a school ranking list. I work in technology, and at least on that space, Argentinian schools are not considered particularly exceptional in LATAM. They are not terrible by any means, but when we think about top technical schools in the region, Argentinian schools are not the first to come to mind. Now, they might be great in humanities, law and medicine (I would not know), but in the technical field, Brazil and Mexico is where the cream of the crop is.